Is atheism a belief?

[Bucky Ball]

Yeah I know dear ... the dog ate your homework. What a loser. You're so pathetically obvious. 
Just define a god, or STFU.

Right, but I'm not allowed to use literature apparently.  No encyclopedias, dictionaries, journals, or whatever else.  Isn't that what the rule is?

No dog ate my homework, but they might try if I still had to do school work at home.  Anyway, you might want to get some rest.  The school bus comes rather early in the morning.

So ... still no definition, still your lame attempts at evasion. 
YOU have to explain the problem that was defined above, with a coherent definition. 
YOU seem to pray to something you can't even define. How idiotic is that. 
What's the problem ? 

No school bus tomorrow, dufus.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Right, but I'm not allowed to use literature apparently.  No encyclopedias, dictionaries, journals, or whatever else.  Isn't that what the rule is?

No dog ate my homework, but they might try if I still had to do school work at home.  Anyway, you might want to get some rest.  The school bus comes rather early in the morning.

So ... still no definition, still your lame attempts at evasion. 
YOU have to explain the problem that was defined above, with a coherent definition. 
YOU seem to pray to something you can't even define. How idiotic is that. 
What's the problem ? 

No school bus tomorrow, dufus.

You keep making assumptions.

A. I don't have a problem with definitions.
B. I don't owe you anything.

You're really delusional if you think I'm interested in going around in circles with you.

[downbeatplumb]

[Angrboda]

Question for you, Max, even though you've got me on ignore.

The dictionary definition of death is the permanent cessation of life. Yet resurrection means to come back to life from the dead. If the dictionary is a reliable authority, then this reliable authority is inconsistent. Can something that is inconsistent really be an authority?

[Bucky Ball]

So ... still no definition, still your lame attempts at evasion. 
YOU have to explain the problem that was defined above, with a coherent definition. 
YOU seem to pray to something you can't even define. How idiotic is that. 
What's the problem ? 

No school bus tomorrow, dufus.

You keep making assumptions.

A. I don't have a problem with definitions.
B. I don't owe you anything.

You're really delusional if you think I'm interested in going around in circles with you.

You chose to engage in this discussion. 
You DO owe the discussion a coherent definition of a god, if you're going to continue to claim there is one. 
Since you can't produce one, we'll assume them you have none, and can't even define the entity you pray to. 
Very typical. 
I do get you don't want to go in circles. You must be very tired of that ... it's all you do. 

Cheers. Here's to another year of constant evasion tactics, and not even one convert. 
Poor you.

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[MattB]

Hi Im new here. Im an agnostic with Christian values and Im here to try and understand some things.

Whenever I say that atheism is based on belief just like theism is I get a strong rejection from atheists. 
Some give me these twisted definitions while others claim that i cannot be agnostic without being an atheist.

So I want to start by getting the definition correct.
Am I right in saying atheists "believe there are no Gods" or "don't believe there are Gods"?
Am I right in saying atheism is based on belief? If yes then why do so many atheists reject this?
If not then Why? What is it then based on?


Do people agree with this?


Do people agree with this?
I don't because the only thing I believe in is knowledge. 
I don't lean either way on the question of God. I just don't know. 
There isn't sufficient evidence either way for me to decide.

I'd say the more militant atheist have a belief. Have seen some get as angry as a fundamentalist if you disagree with them. Want to see angry atheist go to the Usenet group "alt.atheism" I posted this def of agnostic from google and they really got mad said I was a theist for doing so.
"a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."

Personally, I have seen no proof either way but will say most religion is IMO BS. So much hate for even the slightest disagreement and the more militant atheist are the same IMO.

Personally, I don't care if someone worships a rock and puts that rock in their front yard as long as they don't force it on me or others.

[downbeatplumb]

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[Amarok]

So your just going to ignore his objections