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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 8:25 am
But seriously folks. Maybe one of the reasons some atheists get angry is that theists, as a rule, simply don't listen. Years and years of misrepresentation by theists regarding atheism and atheists gets a little wearing. We've explained over and over that:
-Atheism is not a religion
-Atheism is not a belief system
-Atheists are not intrinsically unhappy
-Atheism has bugger all to do with evolution
-Atheists are (generally) in favour of religious freedom
-Atheists are not waging a 'war on Christmas'
-Atheists aren't going to start believing in gods simply because Blaise Pascal didn't figure the odds correctly
-There is nothing about atheism which makes one inherently immoral
-Atheism doesn't preclude anything other than a belief in gods
And plenty more. We've explained these to you over and over and over, and you keep repeating them as if they're some sort of new revelation that's going to destroy non-theism once and for all. So yes, we get a little testy.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 8:26 am
I wouldn't say Dusty is angry, as much as he is portraying the outrage brought on by those that maliciously spread the almighty gospel.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 9:17 am
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 10:10 am
I'm gonna bet he didn't watch the video that I provided him.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 10:20 am
(December 12, 2018 at 9:17 am)tackattack Wrote: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...6825051186
As the meme says: "Stop letting people who do so little for you control so much of your mind, feelings and emotions" and "You're giving someone else's words authority over your emotions. They only have that power if you give it to them. Be empowered, not a victim"
Passive aggressive way of saying "I cant handle skepticism so please don't make me think".
Again, stop confusing anger with "aggression" as if we are all bigots. Go re read Boru's list on this page he already posted until you get it.
We are not going to barbecue your kittens or rape your women. But yea, when people make truth claims about the nature of reality, and use those claims to justify oppression, violence, bigotry, or denial of scientific fact, our "anger" is just a motivation to say something to keep those things in check.
I can for example, value the likes of Martin Luther King Jr, but no, I do not think our species ability to do good or be good is coming from the bible. I can value the likes of Malala, and again, no, I do not think her compassion or value of female education is coming from Allah or the Koran. I can value the likes of Ann Frank, but again, no, I do not think her value of humanity even in the face of such horrors, means that Yahweh was real.
I still see lots of good in my species. I simply don't assign anything we do as a species, good or bad, to old mythology.
We are empowered, but we are not out to oppress you for merely saying you need to consider you got it wrong.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 10:38 am
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(December 11, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Agnostico Wrote: There is a lot of anti theist openly attacking theists.
Just to be clear, a lot of theists attack other theists of different persuasions, sometimes physically. A few atheists ranting occasionally seems moderate in comparison.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 10:44 am
This guy strikes me as really just wanting to antagonize. It's working, for some. Hey cheerful xtian, HAND.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 10:57 am
(December 12, 2018 at 10:38 am)Thoreauvian Wrote: (December 11, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Agnostico Wrote: There is a lot of anti theist openly attacking theists.
Just to be clear, a lot of theists attack other theists of different persuasions, sometimes physically. A few atheists ranting occasionally seems moderate in comparison.
To be fair, not even atheists are immune to being physically cruel or violence. If all 7 billion humans were suddenly, magically all atheists, our species will still be divided by other things such as politics, economics, race, and even as individuals, most of us would still be non violent, but we'd still have criminals too.
But, and having said that, you are correct. But what you said goes even between theists of different religions, or even different sects under the same umbrella labels.
For example. Malala if she were to say, " Fuck the Taliban" that would certainly be far more blunt language than she would use in reality, but she would not be wrong, and on top of that, it wouldn't be even close to the Taliban shooting her in the head.
The terms "majority" and "minority" are always a matter of geography and time period. I have lots of empathy for say Coptic and Kurdish Christians living in the middle east, but even given that, I still would say that their god does not exist. I have lots of empathy for Muslims living in America especially in more conservative states, but again, that does not mean I agree Allah is real.
But, I also get angry at my fellow liberals, when say, former Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Alli criticizes the treatment of women in the middle east. Point is it is possible to be blunt, blasphemous and be "angry" at bad claims and bad behaviors, and at the same time still be for human rights.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 11:11 am
(December 11, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Agnostico Wrote: I question the motivation behind some atheists. There is a lot of anti theist openly attacking theists. Why?
And why are they all so angry?
Seriously?!
Not sure how you've remained ignorant of the the facts, but theism has causes, and continues to cause, many real world negative consequences.
Quote:Check out this guy… Why is he so emotional? Where is all this anger and hate coming from???
Is his anger justified? Why? Is this guys argument even logical?
Why wouldn't someone who has been lied to since before he was able to discern truth from fantasy, be a bit angry about his indoctrination?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 12, 2018 at 12:27 pm
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"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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