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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 6:50 am
(December 26, 2018 at 2:37 am)Agnostico Wrote: Where would we all be without the efforts of our European ancestors???
How about sparing a thought for your own forefathers that sacrificed their lives to make our existence possible.
We don't disrespect our WW2 veterans. Why then do we disrespect our previous war vets?
Do u guys respect the British that colonized America? Would you have preferred they didn't?
Successful atheist states cannot be observed anywhere in history.
Christianity got the west to where it is. Not atheism
So where would we be without chrsitainity. Much better off.
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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 6:59 am
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Quote:Christianity got the west to where it is.
I think it might be more accurate to say that the West got to where it is in spite of Christianity, not because of it.
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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 7:46 am
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(December 26, 2018 at 6:50 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 26, 2018 at 2:37 am)Agnostico Wrote: Where would we all be without the efforts of our European ancestors???
How about sparing a thought for your own forefathers that sacrificed their lives to make our existence possible.
We don't disrespect our WW2 veterans. Why then do we disrespect our previous war vets?
Do u guys respect the British that colonized America? Would you have preferred they didn't?
Successful atheist states cannot be observed anywhere in history.
Christianity got the west to where it is. Not atheism
So where would we be without chrsitainity. Much better off.
Where else would u rather be... ohh i see.
The imaginary world... Pipe dreams...LoL
But that actually gave me the reason why American atheists are so hostile compared to Euro atheists. It all makes sense now
Let's simplify it. Step by step.
One question. Yes or No
Is adultery right???
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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 8:40 am
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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 10:13 am
(December 26, 2018 at 7:46 am)Agnostico Wrote: Let's simplify it. Step by step.
One question. Yes or No
Is adultery right???
It depends on how people agree: some people live in an open marriage, some in polygamous, some don't get married but live as partners...
I guess the worst thing is when two people hate each other but stay married because they are afraid that if they divorce they'll burn in hell forever.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 10:57 am
(December 26, 2018 at 7:46 am)Agnostico Wrote: (December 26, 2018 at 6:50 am)Let\s simplify it. Step by step.One question. Yes or NoIs adultery right??? Wrote:
I don't get that this is a 'yes or no' type question. Cheating and deceiving a partner is almost always wrong, but adultery doesn't always constitute cheating.
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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 2:35 pm
(December 26, 2018 at 7:46 am)Agnostico Wrote:
Let's simplify it. Step by step.
One question. Yes or No
Is adultery right???
How can anyone answer this except within a subjective religious/legal context?
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RE: Morality
December 26, 2018 at 7:27 pm
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Pretty easily, actually...though both the religious and the legal context will seem particularly arbitrary compared to other offerings.
Why is it right or wrong in a religious context? Godsaidso. Why is it right or wrong in a legal context? Lawsaidso. Plenty of folks could give more elaborate answers as to why they think god or law said so...the truly hilarious bit, is that they're entirely likely to be wrong in their explanation of the whys of religion and law even if they're hitting the moral nail on the head. Adultery is wrong from the abrahamic and legal perspective for no reason other than ambiguity over property and ownership in inheritance.
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RE: Morality
December 28, 2018 at 4:57 am
(December 26, 2018 at 10:57 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Cheating and deceiving a partner is almost always wrong
I agree but adultery carries no legal punishment now. This is where secular morals fail in society. There is no collective atheist moral basis.
There will always be differences in opinions because your morals are subjective. They focus on yourself, here and now instead on the benefit to society in the future.
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RE: Morality
December 28, 2018 at 7:47 am
(December 26, 2018 at 7:46 am)Agnostico Wrote: (December 26, 2018 at 6:50 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
So where would we be without chrsitainity. Much better off.
Where else would u rather be... ohh i see.
The imaginary world... Pipe dreams...LoL
But that actually gave me the reason why American atheists are so hostile compared to Euro atheists. It all makes sense now
Let's simplify it. Step by step.
One question. Yes or No
Is adultery right???
It is a fact that the church of different stripes, has gone out of its way in cahoots with the governments of the day to suppress knowledge that contradicts the bible and to dissuade further knowledge.
The idea was that that there was no use looking into things because they already knew the answer to everything, which was that god did it. End of investigation.
The works from the ancient world only survived because the Muslims preserved it, without them we would be even more behind scientifically.
So without Christian intervention we can expect to be more advanced than we are now. We can see this still working in the US today where they deny evolution, the age of the earth, the effects of man on the environment and more, all in the name of their religion.
And you think I am an American! One more thing for you to be wrong about.
I am in fact European.
Is Adultery right? well no.
Neither is it a crime. Its like cheating on your significant other, not nice, but shouldn't be punishable by law.
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