Morality

[Angrboda]

 

it's just a hypothesis

  Thats all any of us have. Hypothesis. But so dogmatic u claim his talking out of his ass... LoL... 
Didn't bother reading the rest. How many books have u written o wise one? None. His books are best sellers

And yet you hamfistedly dismissed my hypothesis about the origins of religion. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, you hypocritical troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Do you have any actual evidence for your hypothesis? Because if not, then why should we care?

[Agnostico]

And yet you hamfistedly dismissed my hypothesis about the origins of religion.

Incorrect.
I'm wasting my time here trying to reason with dogmatic ideologues.
Grow up

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Why should adultery carry a legal penalty?

I never said it should carry a legal penalty it was just an analogy which no one seemed to understand so it's OK.

I've seen these debates, and found them interesting and thought-provoking.

Well that's the closest thing I'll get to some kind of agreement on this forum I think. So on that note il leave u guys to ur little church thing.
Adeus

[downbeatplumb]

What is a Christian "value"?

Is it the persecution of people who don't believe exactly what you believe because that is common among Christians?
Is it the oppression of peoples sexuality because that is common among Christians?
Is it the suppression of scientific discoveries because that is a very common Christian trait?

Christianity is not a "good thing"

Not that there cant be good Christians , but they are bucking the trend.

[Angrboda]

And yet you hamfistedly dismissed my hypothesis about the origins of religion.

Incorrect.
I'm wasting my time here trying to reason with dogmatic ideologues.
Grow up

You're a liar and everybody can read what you wrote. And this nonsense about dogmatism is just a false ad hominem.

You don't read so good. I also offered a theory on religion, or is that not what you wanted to discuss? And why are you bringing the drama from another thread here? That doesn't serve anyone's interests, but perhaps yours.

I read ur post. Its very simplistic and doesn't answer anything. Even u said u were leaving it to G. So im addressing G just as u wished.
But off course their will always be people like u who will never accept any skeptics.
And that quote is from this thread. Bringing it up serves my interests and his. Id rather a clear mind thinking logically. His gotta drop the paranoia first.

So just let me and G have a civilized discussion please...

[Agnostico]

Hi all just to reiterate what i learn't here

Fact... The law, our morals, your morals, wester civilization. They're all from Christianity.
Fact... Atheism has no objective morals which people can refer to.
Fact... Atheists just base their opinions on the existing Christian morals and cannot agree themselves, on several issues.
Fact... Atheists are generally hostile to anyone who disagrees with their thoughts which they tend to believe is knowledge.

Fact... New atheism is a creation of the millenial generation, snowflakes. They are entitled but have no culture or historical knowledge.
They get triggered easily by the opionions of others and truly believe that they know all there is to know about the universe.
Their views are very simplistic and lack much in depth thought. One only needs to see the responses to "why did humans create religions?" to see that.

I've found it hard to define atheism but I've decided to call it a "techno religion". An ideology which is still finding its feet and writting it's doctrines.
A non-belief so strong that it blinds people with shallow hate. They cannot see that its actually tearing down society at a rapid rate.

Atheists are basically just kids who don't yet realize they have still much to learn.

[ohreally]

Hi all just to reiterate what i learn't here

Fact... The law, our morals, your morals, wester civilization. They're all from Christianity.
Fact... Atheism has no objective morals which people can refer to.
Fact... Atheists just base their opinions on the existing Christian morals and cannot agree themselves, on several issues.
Fact... Atheists are generally hostile to anyone who disagrees with their thoughts which they tend to believe is knowledge.

Fact... New atheism is a creation of the millenial generation, snowflakes. They are entitled but have no culture or historical knowledge.
They get triggered easily by the opionions of others and truly believe that they know all there is to know about the universe.
Their views are very simplistic and lack much in depth thought. One only needs to see the responses to "why did humans create religions?" to see that.

I've found it hard to define atheism but I've decided to call it a "techno religion". An ideology which is still finding its feet and writting it's doctrines.
A non-belief so strong that it blinds people with shallow hate. They cannot see that its actually tearing down society at a rapid rate.

Atheists are basically just kids who don't yet realize they have still much to learn.

This post is evidence for you having poor morals.  Congrats. My parents taught me right and wrong and never mentioned any religion or god.

[vulcanlogician]

Hi all just to reiterate what i learn't here

Fact... The law, our morals, your morals, wester civilization. They're all from Christianity.

Wrong. Our "wester" values come from a myriad of sources. Take freedom of religion for instance. With some notable exceptions, people in ancient times were allowed to worship whatever deity they wished. It was the Christians who started burning people at the stake for heresy. Many modern freedoms, like freedom of religion, are departures from the Christian ethos.

Fact... Atheism has no objective morals which people can refer to.

This statement is beyond ignorant. Religion lacks an objective morality. You need to read Plato (who lived five centuries before Christ). Look at the Euthyphro argument. Then come back and see if you still want to defend this position.

Fact... Atheists just base their opinions on the existing Christian morals and cannot agree themselves, on several issues.

Doing good because it will get you into heaven/earn you favor with God is not morality. That's obedience. It's not my view, but one could even argue that atheists are the only ones capable of truly moral actions, because they do good simply for its own sake. (Doing good to please onlookers doesn't count as moral behavior in my book. And theists assume that God is always watching.)

Fact... Atheists are generally hostile to anyone who disagrees with their thoughts which they tend to believe is knowledge.

To me, you seem hostile and trollish. But most of all you seem uneducated. The good news is: there is a remedy for that. Go to school. Or take some time to educate yourself.

Fact... New atheism is a creation of the millenial generation, snowflakes. They are entitled but have no culture or historical knowledge.
They get triggered easily by the opionions of others and truly believe that they know all there is to know about the universe.
Their views are very simplistic and lack much in depth thought. One only needs to see the responses to "why did humans create religions?" to see that.

Again, these accusations that you level at atheists seem more applicable to you.

I am an atheist who accepts moral objectivity (morality based solely on reason). If you feel like opening your mind a little bit (because it's shut like a steel fucking trap) we can discuss how one might accept objective morality without God. And we can also discuss how it is impossible for objective morality to be based on God's commands.

Let me know.

[Brian37]

What is a Christian "value"?

Is it the persecution of people who don't believe exactly what you believe because that is common among Christians?
Is it the oppression of peoples sexuality because that is common among Christians?
Is it the suppression of scientific discoveries because that is a very common Christian trait?

Christianity is not a "good thing"

Not that there cant be good Christians , but they are bucking the trend.

There is no such thing as "Religious morality". There are merely humans attaching our evolutionary behaviors to old mythology.

There are good and bad people in every nation on the face of the planet. And every nation has hospitals and prisons. That says to me our morality isn't coming from old mythology, or from a divine source from above, but our evolution.

Our ability as a species to be cruel or compassionate is in us, not religion. It is the same reason an elephant will protect their calf, and while a male lion will kill the cubs of rivals.

"Religious morality" is simply an artificial construct humans made up. 

Religious people, be they Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus or Buddhists, are certainly capable of doing good and being good. I simply disagree as to where they think those behaviors are coming from.

[Mister Agenda]

Hi all just to reiterate what i learn't here

Fact... The law, our morals, your morals, wester civilization. They're all from Christianity.
Fact... Atheism has no objective morals which people can refer to.
Fact... Atheists just base their opinions on the existing Christian morals and cannot agree themselves, on several issues.
Fact... Atheists are generally hostile to anyone who disagrees with their thoughts which they tend to believe is knowledge.

Fact... New atheism is a creation of the millenial generation, snowflakes. They are entitled but have no culture or historical knowledge.
They get triggered easily by the opionions of others and truly believe that they know all there is to know about the universe.
Their views are very simplistic and lack much in depth thought. One only needs to see the responses to "why did humans create religions?" to see that.

I've found it hard to define atheism but I've decided to call it a "techno religion". An ideology which is still finding its feet and writting it's doctrines.
A non-belief so strong that it blinds people with shallow hate. They cannot see that its actually tearing down society at a rapid rate.

Atheists are basically just kids who don't yet realize they have still much to learn.

Fact: Most of our laws derive from the English common law, which began before Christianity reached England.

Fact: Neither does theism. Theism has no morality because it's merely the opinion that some sort of God or gods probably or certainly exist. Atheism is merely the opinion that they probably or certainly don't.

Fact: Their are plenty of atheists in countries like India and Japan that have little to do with Christianity.

Fact: Over-generalization based on non-representative samples is the foundation of bigotry.

Fact: New atheism is the same old atheism in a world that can't silence atheists anymore.

Fact: Over-generalization based on non-representative samples is the foundation of bigotry.

Fact: That's just like, your opinion, man.

Fact: Atheism is easy to define. It's not believing any gods are real.

Fact: That's just like, your opinion, man.

[Acrobat]

Our morals are based on self, here and now. They vary between people. If I polled a question, any question like abortion there will be different opinions. Which one is right? How do we know it's right? Right for who? Each person's opinion is made on their preferences. Cave man's preferences are based on instincts, on self preservation. I don't see much about morals in a societal context, always of self.

This is not entirely true. A variety of studies have shown that there seems to be considerable overlap in moral responses and views across cultures. That people tend to respond similarly to a variety of moral situations.

That we posses a universal core morality, as can be observed in the commonality of moral views among religions, philosophies etc..

In reality there’s perhaps more we agree on morally that disagree, just that our disagreements are the one often highlighted.

This is similar to truth in way, we hold lots of things in common that we hold true, and there are some thing different cultures and societies, often hold uniquely true, as opposed to others.

So although a person without religion can be a good person, a society needs to operate on one unified moral system which is built not for us, here and now but for future generations. Humans are very narcissistic. They believe they can control the weather, create a new universe and are all knowing.

Society operates with a belief in moral realism, that’s there’s an objective moral reality, that wrongness of something exist independently of oneself, like the color of my wife’s dress does. Most people don’t believe that something is wrong because of a subjective consensus of their particular society

This may be an illusion, or a false belief, but human being predominantly operate as if this is true, our moral language and beliefs are saturated with this foundational assumption. Such as in the idea of moral progress, moral obligations and duties, listening to ones conscious, etc...