US Defense Secretary Mattis Quits

[GUBU]

There's a campaign on in the media to depict Mattis, McMaster, Kelly and Tillerson as the only adults in the room, rather than Trump enablers.

May I remind people that the OKH tried the same trick vis a vis Hitler after WW2.

[WinterHold]

You just nailed the Atheist Forums prize for Most Incoherent Post. Well done!

Boru

It's a very lovely feeling to see your own words admitted by people years and years after you have said them !

I mean, I kept repeating that the Saudi government is a terrorist government, nobody believed until Kashoggi got killed xD
I kept repeating that Saudies were involved -on a governmental scale- in 9/11, nobody believed until JASTA law named their kingdom with the name.

Of course; I got my information from the same people you laugh at. The hilarious thing is that listening to you would probably make me walk into a Saudi embassy and get hacked to death xD

Lovely..very lovely. But we shall see tomorrow. Don't feel weird when the first atomic blast happens, or did you think this fragile sad world state would continue forever? I want the records to remember me as one of the many who pointed at the cockroach infestation that infected the world governments; especially the U.S government.

[Fake Messiah]

At least Ivanka and Jared will have more space to spread around.

Also Michael Moore is scared

[WinterHold]

Thank you for admitting that the "shiny picture" of the U.S's "wonderful senate and Congress" where every politician is "united" behind the same "cause" is an image worthy of a 12 YO, who can't handle the real scene of the cockroaches lurking and eating chunks of the remaining ruins of U.S politics.

When cockroaches fight it's messy and disgusting, usually their fight is full of bug-bugs like ISIS flying around, and alliances with bug colonies like the Saudi bug colony which produces cockroaches that fly into buildings.

I thought Muslims stayed away from hard drugs!

Come on DBP; you can do better than that !

Do like BrianSoddingBoru and play the same old broken record: "your posts are incoherent- you're crazy- you're insane- you're an idiot"... it works better than the hard drugs.

[Brian37]

You just nailed the Atheist Forums prize for Most Incoherent Post. Well done!

Boru

It's a very lovely feeling to see your own words admitted by people years and years after you have said them !

I mean, I kept repeating that the Saudi government is a terrorist government, nobody believed until Kashoggi got killed xD
I kept repeating that Saudies were involved -on a governmental scale- in 9/11, nobody believed until JASTA law named their kingdom with the name.

Of course; I got my information from the same people you laugh at. The hilarious thing is that listening to you would probably make me walk into a Saudi embassy and get hacked to death xD

Lovely..very lovely. But we shall see tomorrow. Don't feel weird when the first atomic blast happens, or did you think this fragile sad world state would continue forever? I want the records to remember me as one of the many who pointed at the cockroach infestation that infected the world governments; especially the U.S government.

Only GOP and Trump supporters ignore what your government is. Back when Jr attacked Iraq tons of sane people consistently pointed out the fact that the majority of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Now having said that, don't leave out the fact that the Royals basically told Bin Laden they didn't want his help and he was basically an outcast.

And even today, the sane are pointing out the fact our shitty president is ignoring our intel stating the truth that there is no way the Prince could not have known.

Now, my question to you is what would you want done? Now, if America were to attack and destroy the Royal leadership, it would be yet another war, and since you live there, that could make you a potential victim of such an invasion.

I hate your government as much as I hate Trump being in office. Please stop assuming that everyone in the west thinks the same way. I don't assume all Saudi citizens love what they are living under either.

In my perfect world, we could go in, remove your leadership, and put in an open and free society. In my perfect world I'd have the orange jackass removed this second. Unfortunately in reality, life isn't as simple as the wishful thinking.

So again, what would you do for Saudi Arabia if you could? What would you want America to do?

[WinterHold]

It's a very lovely feeling to see your own words admitted by people years and years after you have said them !

I mean, I kept repeating that the Saudi government is a terrorist government, nobody believed until Kashoggi got killed xD
I kept repeating that Saudies were involved -on a governmental scale- in 9/11, nobody believed until JASTA law named their kingdom with the name.

Of course; I got my information from the same people you laugh at. The hilarious thing is that listening to you would probably make me walk into a Saudi embassy and get hacked to death xD

Lovely..very lovely. But we shall see tomorrow. Don't feel weird when the first atomic blast happens, or did you think this fragile sad world state would continue forever? I want the records to remember me as one of the many who pointed at the cockroach infestation that infected the world governments; especially the U.S government.

Only GOP and Trump supporters ignore what your government is. Back when Jr attacked Iraq tons of sane people consistently pointed out the fact that the majority of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Now having said that, don't leave out the fact that the Royals basically told Bin Laden they didn't want his help and he was basically an outcast.

And even today, the sane are pointing out the fact our shitty president is ignoring our intel stating the truth that there is no way the Prince could not have known.

Now, my question to you is what would you want done? Now, if America were to attack and destroy the Royal leadership, it would be yet another war, and since you live there, that could make you a potential victim of such an invasion.

I hate your government as much as I hate Trump being in office. Please stop assuming that everyone in the west thinks the same way. I don't assume all Saudi citizens love what they are living under either.

In my perfect world, we could go in, remove your leadership, and put in an open and free society. In my perfect world I'd have the orange jackass removed this second. Unfortunately in reality, life isn't as simple as the wishful thinking.

So again, what would you do for Saudi Arabia if you could? What would you want America to do?

There is a list of demands.

1) Stop giving weapons to Saudi Arabia -even for money-.
2) Stop training Saudi soldiers
3) Cut any ties with the terrorist government and close the U.S embassy in there
4) Stop acting like the backbone of the Saudi military and jump to defend it like the U.S did against Iraq
5) Stop supplying Saudies with coordinates to bomb in Yemen
6) Sanctions. Or are they only valid against Iran and North Korea??

Then we can extend the list even more. But it will be full of "stop doing this" and "stop doing that".

Point is, without the U.S, the Saudi Arabian regime wouldn't have lasted for a single day.
When America support this dictatorship, it is falling like a sharp blade on every free Arab living there. Wealthy Saudi royals brag about the "American protection" their asses get, and always got since WW2.

The American support for Saudi Arabia burned a whole country -Yemen-, and burned another before -Iraq-, and burned a whole population living under the filthy monarchs of the Sauds.

Knowing is not the answer; where are the actions? where are the acts of the people "who know the truth"? but truth be told: so many Americans did not start to pay attention until Trump came and they tasted a tiny bit of their own medicine.

Look Brian; I just want to say that we are born and raised under regimes that cut you with bonesaws in broad day light, governments that kill and torture daily, and the U.S is playing a crucial role in keeping this sick cycle turning, my basic "list of 6" up in the post is just a first step if you were ever serious about what you say. No; the U.S just wants to walk allover people here if it proved to work for the interest of the assholes ruling it. Oligarchs, MIC, whatever. A good empire would sound so different than the U.S

[ReptilianPeon]

Global stability is never an either or proposition. It isn't 100% isolation, or 100% playing world police.

Did I say it was? Where in the post you quoted did I say that. The Russian Federation has been helping the Syrian people plenty. The Syrian goverment asked the Russians for assistance. The Syrian government did not ask NATO or the Turks for help. Understand where I'm coming from? Why do you support imperialism Brian?

Imperialism is what sowed the seeds that germinated in DAESH. President Assad of Syria does not have a rape fetish nor is he a masochist. He never asked for Syria to be blown up by the United States. The Syrians do not want to be in bondage. The disagreements over Syria were clearly one of the reasons why the general left the White House.

our foreign policy is based on overlap in our intel, and that includes military intel

Really Brian? You actually believe that? Let me tell you a few things.

The USA has known the Saudi goverment (and to a lesser extent U.A.E.) have been supporting terrorists for decades. The moment we found out the Saudis were delivering weapons to terrorists, the US goverment should have said "Right, okay, it's time to use powers given to us by the 1976 Arms Export Control Act!"

No president has ever use the the Arms Export Control act to curtail the plans of the Saudis. Why is this? Could it be that the money they get is more valuable than human lives?

The Act of Congress requires international governments receiving weapons from the United States to use the armaments for legitimate self-defense. Consideration is given as to whether the exports "would contribute to an arms race, aid in the development of weapons of mass destruction, support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict, or prejudice the development of bilateral or multilateral arms control or nonproliferation agreements or other arrangements."

Here's a recent Tweet by Donald Trump that hasn't been talked about in the media enough nearly as much as it should have done:

Tweet link (image saved if the Tweet is removed)

So hard to believe that Lindsey Graham would be against saving soldier lives & billions of $$$. Why are we fighting for our enemy, Syria, by staying & killing ISIS for them, Russia, Iran & other locals? Time to focus on our Country & bring our youth back home where they belong!

Anyone who has been paying attention will know that Lindsey Graham has been chief amoungst the Donald Trump butt-lickers. So what happened all of a sudden? Lindsey Graham was one of the biggest cheerleaders for Donald Trump, was he not?

Well...as it happens Lindsey Graham is one of the biggest voices in congress for the defense industry. He has never seen a war that he doesn't like. Just take a look as Lindsey's top campaign funders (Open Secrets website). He is the defence industrys' whipping boy, well one of them. Clearly he would prefer to keep getting more money from the lobbyists and cooperations than support one of the few sensible ideas from Donald Trump. There is a saying: "a broken clock is right twice a day."

I believe the foegien policy of the United States is dictated more by the profit motive than intel. How about this for intel led goverment: Bombshell: Newly Released CIA Documents Prove Bush Could have Killed Bin Laden; Prevented 911.

Did you know that president George Bush was golfing at the time of 9/11 and had insisted on taking a vacation and ignoring warming from US intelligence about it?
Slate: While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard.

Yeah, I mean the US goverment is totally intel led.  

Are you one of those silly #Resistance people who now that Donald Trump is president actually think George Bush was a good president simply because he attacked him?

[Brian37]

Only GOP and Trump supporters ignore what your government is. Back when Jr attacked Iraq tons of sane people consistently pointed out the fact that the majority of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

Now having said that, don't leave out the fact that the Royals basically told Bin Laden they didn't want his help and he was basically an outcast.

And even today, the sane are pointing out the fact our shitty president is ignoring our intel stating the truth that there is no way the Prince could not have known.

Now, my question to you is what would you want done? Now, if America were to attack and destroy the Royal leadership, it would be yet another war, and since you live there, that could make you a potential victim of such an invasion.

I hate your government as much as I hate Trump being in office. Please stop assuming that everyone in the west thinks the same way. I don't assume all Saudi citizens love what they are living under either.

In my perfect world, we could go in, remove your leadership, and put in an open and free society. In my perfect world I'd have the orange jackass removed this second. Unfortunately in reality, life isn't as simple as the wishful thinking.

So again, what would you do for Saudi Arabia if you could? What would you want America to do?

There is a list of demands.

1) Stop giving weapons to Saudi Arabia -even for money-.
2) Stop training Saudi soldiers
3) Cut any ties with the terrorist government and close the U.S embassy in there
4) Stop acting like the backbone of the Saudi military and jump to defend it like the U.S did against Iraq
5) Stop supplying Saudies with coordinates to bomb in Yemen
6) Sanctions. Or are they only valid against Iran and North Korea??

Then we can extend the list even more. But it will be full of "stop doing this" and "stop doing that".

Point is, without the U.S, the Saudi Arabian regime wouldn't have lasted for a single day.
When America support this dictatorship, it is falling like a sharp blade on every free Arab living there. Wealthy Saudi royals brag about the "American protection" their asses get, and always got since WW2.

The American support for Saudi Arabia burned a whole country -Yemen-, and burned another before -Iraq-, and burned a whole population living under the filthy monarchs of the Sauds.

Knowing is not the answer; where are the actions? where are the acts of the people "who know the truth"? but truth be told: so many Americans did not start to pay attention until Trump came and they tasted a tiny bit of their own medicine.

Look Brian; I just want to say that we are born and raised under regimes that cut you with bonesaws in broad day light, governments that kill and torture daily, and the U.S is playing a crucial role in keeping this sick cycle turning, my basic "list of 6" up in the post is just a first step if you were ever serious about what you say. No; the U.S just wants to walk allover people here if it proved to work for the interest of the assholes ruling it. Oligarchs, MIC, whatever. A good empire would sound so different than the U.S

And your choices if we meet those demands are for the government you hate to fall within, and hope what arises out of it, isn't worse than what you topple. Or we invade you. Either way you living there could be a victim. 

I don't have any easy solutions myself. I hate your government as much as I hate Trump. The thought of you dying in a civil war, or even surviving only to have something worse arise out of the ashes frightens me. I was appalled by Trump equating our relationship to a financial transaction regardless. 

You are worth more to me, than your rulers or Trump. But in a world full of nukes and knowing your country and mine have or have friends with them, the fact remains that all global diplomacy still depends on the acceptance of mutual destruction, because there will be no winners if we have a global nuclear war.

[downbeatplumb]

I thought Muslims stayed away from hard drugs!

Come on DBP; you can do better than that !

Do like BrianSoddingBoru and play the same old broken record: "your posts are incoherent- you're crazy- you're insane- you're an idiot"... it works better than the hard drugs.

The post was flippant but I truly found your post to be just vapid ranting that made next to no sense.

You seem angry and this seems to colour your judgement and leads you to constant hyperbole.

I get it. I'm a bit the same with Brexit.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Do like BrianSoddingBoru and play the same old broken record: "your posts are incoherent- you're crazy- you're insane- you're an idiot"... it works better than the hard drugs.

Oh, now be fair...I've never called you crazy, insane, or an idiot.

And NOTHING works better than hard drugs.

Boru