A Saudi hit and run criminal breaks his electric ankle bracelet and flees America

[WinterHold]

Fuck.

Don't piss down our necks and expect us to buy your excuse that it' s raining...

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So this is what Americans voted for? Trump is allowing all this to happen -and you know it-..

That quote tells us your agenda, you backpedaling twat.
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"piss down your neck"?

I was giving you water instead. Historical evidence documented the fall of Rome before, when we look at history, Attila the Hun and the Barbarians threw feces on the Roman constitution and sacked the empire. So if you consider the story of Rome a "piss in the throat", that is bad.

America is like Rome, the West as a whole followed the Roman example and as the Roman example showed us once, the American example is showing us the same dejavus.

Rome -before it falls- had greedy, disgusting politicians in majority
It had mad rulers
It had civil war going between the political powers in the senate.

I just gave you the truth, and what made me so sure is the Roman example.

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Ah, I see. Then you don't have a problem with Saudi people in general? My mistake.

I'm no fan of Trump, so you can shit on him all you want if you ask me. Motherfucker has it coming.

Hey it's fine. As a note, the people I consider "the bravest and the best" are all natives of what is called "Saudi Arabia" but they burned their Saudi passports, and they were chased by the regime and took refugee and asylum in Britain, Canada and the U.S . All my criticism against Saudi Arabia is about its regime; which is a medieval royal house.

Trump was bought by MBS who is leading the Saudi royal house now. That is one hell of a stab in the back for repulicans, democrats, even Arabs who reject the Saudi royalty -just like he betrayed the Kurds in Syria-. It's in his blood.

[ReptilianPeon]

Ah, I see. Then you don't have a problem with Saudi people in general? My mistake.

I'm no fan of Trump, so you can shit on him all you want if you ask me. Motherfucker has it coming.

You seem unaware that Atlas lives in Saudi. Lots of saine people suffering in Saudi at the moment due to the crazies. I'm shocked to find out that MBS actually did something positive and curtailed the Wahaabi power. Maybe we will see less of Zakir Naik and his cronies in the future too?

[Shell B]

I knew he lives in the Middle East. I did not remember the exact location.

Plenty of people hate their own people, so it wouldn't have been impossible anyway.

[Deesse23]

America is like Rome, the West as a whole followed the Roman example and as the Roman example showed us once, the American example is showing us the same dejavus.

Rome -before it falls- had greedy, disgusting politicians in majority
It had mad rulers
It had civil war going between the political powers in the senate.

I just gave you the truth, and what made me so sure is the Roman example.

Please get yourself informed better about the roman empire before you continue making general sweeping statements that would fit to about any empire in crisis and in Romes case are even wrong when you have a closer look.

[Brian37]

Saudies began to break your laws and throw their feces on your constitution, Americans:

US officials demand the extradition of Saudi student, 21, wanted for murder of Oregon girl, 15, 'who fled on a private jet using an illicit passport provided by his country's consulate' after skipping $1M bail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ulate.html

So the Saudi criminal hit a teenage American girl -aged 15- and killed her in a hit-and run, skipping the payment of a 1M $ bill.

• Officials believe Abdulrahman Sameer Noorah, 21, fled the US on a private jet with help from the Saudi consulate last year
  
• FBI learned he returned back to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia 18 months ago 
  
• Authorities believe the consulate provided him with an illicit passport to escape
  
• An official said: 'We're doing everything we can to get him back' 
  
• He skipped bail in Portland, Oregon after the consulate posted $100,000 in 2016
  
• The student is wanted for manslaughter for the 2016 death of Fallon Smart
  
• Fallon was killed as she crossed the road by a car which Noorah was driving
  
• He denied manslaughter despite admitting being behind the wheel at the time
  
• The Saudi Arabian embassy posted his bail in 2016 and he was placed under house arrest 
  
• It doesn't appear that Noorah's parents are influential - his mother is a kindergarten teacher, and his father owns a trailer business 
  
• Last June he removed his electronic ankle bracelet as his trial date loomed.
  

Trump humiliated the U.S flag and made America a carpet for the Sauds. I mean nobody is feeling sad for this teen girl, or nobody is feeling disgusted that an entity with the resources of the U.S -including atomic weapons- is getting humiliated by a wahhabi kingdom? so this is why you fought in WW2 and got thousands of your men killed? so MBS can fart in your face??

I don't think the Saudi criminal can dare to do so in Istanbul, Turkey. I mean we saw what happened in Kashoggi's case.
The U.S is over. If Saudi criminals commit crimes in it this freely and left alone, you can count that the country is doomed, add the advent of Trump previously and you will see the whole picture.

And just for the record:

Two Saudi girls who flee to the U.S.A for asylum, were found dead in Hudson river, New York. Tala and Rotana were both dead; one is 16 years old the other is 22 years old.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-57121.html


So this is what Americans voted for? Trump is allowing all this to happen -and you know it-..

Lets be clear here. This is NOT what the majority of Americans voted for. This is what Trump supporters voted for. Nearly 3 million more Americans voted for Hillary. Our electoral college allowed the asshole to win. 

Now again, please separate your government from individual citizens, here or there. 

I am not a king nor do I want to be, but if I could have power, what makes you think I'd want the things you typed in your post here to happen?

Not everyone in America supports the orange asshole, I certainly do not.

[Angrboda]

Saudies began to break your laws and throw their feces on your constitution, Americans:

Exactly. I was told recently on this forum that the American foreign policy "intel led". Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi but the poor people of Afghanistan and Iraq suffer instead of the Saudi royals. The American government is full of misers and morons. The people who claim that American foreign policy is not led primarily by the profit motive are also morons. The USA doesn't care about "intel"; if they did Saudi would be burning right now - for supporting terrorism.

I would agree that the profit motive has an enormous influence upon American foreign policy. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is the primary influence on it, and that its influence upon foreign policy likely varies on a case by case basis. One would be hard pressed to claim that our motive for interfacing with North Korea is primarily economic. True, if you twist your scrotum into a knot, you can explain everything as ultimately being grounded in self interest, i.e. economics, but the proximal causes are not obviously economic. So, I sympathize with your point, I can't agree with it. Some, perhaps even a lot, of American foreign policy has a strong economic basis. But certainly not all. And how much falls in each bin is a very broad and open question. The existence of examples where economic concerns were clearly the driving force in American foreign policy do not prove the general case, and most such examples are picked largely for the rhetorical value they posses rather than that they demonstrate any general point about U.S. foreign policy.

So, if you want to think I'm a moron, you certainly can. You have that right. I will continue, however, to protest otherwise.

[Jackalope]

So this is what Americans voted for? Trump is allowing all this to happen -and you know it-..

No. More Americans voted for Clinton. So you could say, this is NOT what we voted for.

[ReptilianPeon]

One would be hard pressed to claim that our motive for interfacing with North Korea is primarily economic.

Even a mere month before the Singapore Summit, you had Republicans saying that war with the DPRK would be be a 'good thing', as the below video shows (because certain Republicans haven't seen a war which they don't like). As we know from Open Secrets, Lindsey Graham is one of defence industry's whipping many boys - because he's one of their biggest investments. Here he is a month before the summit telling us why war on the Korean peninsula would be a good thing.

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There are four things which Donald Trump cares about:

1. His children (in particular Ivanka)
2. Positive media coverage about himself
3. Money
4. Receiving compliments

Donald Trump seemed to go against mainstream of the Republican Party by having the Singapore Summit. Lindsey Graham is a window into the mainstream of the Republican Party, and we find a party that didn't really want diplomacy with the DPRK. I have never seen as organisation as determined as the modern Republican Party is, to make the human race go extinct. 

The Singapore Summit was motivated primarily by the president's self interest. The potential for positive media coverage and the potential money making opportunities (as we shall see) were big draws for the president. Remember, we were seemingly on the brink of war until Donald Trump received those 'love letters' from Kim Jong-Un, and quote: "fell in love". Video:

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At the Singapore Summit, Donald Trump actually talked about how he showed Kim a video regarding having real estate on the beaches where they were firing their cannons. He informed reporters of how he could be making money in the DPRK, and the was rightly mocked for it, as the selection of related Tweets on the subject in this article show:

Trump talks about development on North Korea’s ‘great beaches’

And here is the video of him talking about how he'd love to make money on the beaches of the DPRK:

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But what did the Singapore Summit really achieve in the end? Did Donald Trump really achieve anything? In hindsight it just seemed like a good opportunity for photographs. There has been no nuclear disarmament by the DPRK for example (although I do think it's hypocritical that some countries are allowed nuclear weapons and others seemingly are not).

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But getting back to Saudi, we again seen that Donald Trump's foreign policy decisions are motivated by self-interest. He won't side with his own government on matters relating to Saudi because, for example:

Trump registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia during campaign: report

Or how about:

Trump said he has 'no financial interests in Saudi Arabia.' But his businesses have made millions from the Saudi government, and the crown prince gave his New York City hotel a huge boost.

With Donald Trump in the Oval Office is only natural for the Saudis to murder people have to suffer no consequences as a result. He's making money off of the Saudis so he doesn't care about one "fake news journalist". Interestingly, I remember Jamal on Mehdi Hassan's show al-Jazeera once telling us about how Saudi "supports peace and freedom in the Middle East".


I am sure that the Saudis are doing many more horrendous things, as I type this message, simply aren't receiving the condemnation they deserve. The president has allowed them to act with impunity because of his conflicts of interest. But then what president in the past few decades hasn't minded the Saudis killing innocent people?

[Angrboda]

You don't make the gorilla in the room disappear by focusing on the table instead. Perhaps Trump expects there to be economic opportunities in the DPRK, but that alone doesn't make it the primary reason we are arguing for denuclearization of North Korea economic. Denuclearization serves one primary goal, increasing the safety of us and them in the nuclear age. That is its primary aim, not economic opportunity. So you can talk all you want about Graham and Trump referencing money making opportunities, none of that will make money our primary motivation in our policy towards North Korea. So you are simply wrong, and have posted nothing but specially selected, if irrelevant evidence that you think shows otherwise. If our primary interest in North Korea were profit, then denuclearization would not be an issue at all. Nuclear warheads in Korea is no obstacle to profit. If you want to be at all persuasive, you're going to need to explain how our interest in their denuclearization is primarily motivated by an interest in economic gains.

[Brian37]

Fuck.

Don't piss down our necks and expect us to buy your excuse that it' s raining...

Quote -

[quote pid='1872002' dateline='1545756954']

So this is what Americans voted for? Trump is allowing all this to happen -and you know it-..

That quote tells us your agenda, you backpedaling twat.

"piss down your neck"?

I was giving you water instead. Historical evidence documented the fall of Rome before, when we look at history, Attila the Hun and the Barbarians threw feces on the Roman constitution and sacked the empire. So if you consider the story of Rome a "piss in the throat", that is bad.

America is like Rome, the West as a whole followed the Roman example and as the Roman example showed us once, the American example is showing us the same dejavus.

Rome -before it falls- had greedy, disgusting politicians in majority
It had mad rulers
It had civil war going between the political powers in the senate.

I just gave you the truth, and what made me so sure is the Roman example.

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Ah, I see. Then you don't have a problem with Saudi people in general? My mistake.

I'm no fan of Trump, so you can shit on him all you want if you ask me. Motherfucker has it coming.

Hey it's fine. As a note, the people I consider "the bravest and the best" are all natives of what is called "Saudi Arabia" but they burned their Saudi passports, and they were chased by the regime and took refugee and asylum in Britain, Canada and the U.S . All my criticism against Saudi Arabia is about its regime; which is a medieval royal house.

Trump was bought by MBS who is leading the Saudi royal house now. That is one hell of a stab in the back for repulicans, democrats, even Arabs who reject the Saudi royalty -just like he betrayed the Kurds in Syria-. It's in his blood.
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Outside Trump's delusional gullible base, the sane would agree.  Trump is a vile pile of crap.