Atheists and Cakes

[downbeatplumb]

Look. I accept that atheists live in the world. You are part of our society.

But I really can't see why you have to force Christians to follow your dictates.

There is a sweet old woman in my town. Her husband's dead and her children have all moved out.

She bakes the best pastries in town. Sweet chocolate cookies, a whole bushel of Pecan and Peach pies, and gooey molasses sweet bread.

She volunteers at church, she takes care of stray kittens and puppies, and regularly bakes cakes and cookies for our men and women in Afghanistan. She says she thinks of them as her children. Her Own children!

But no. You people wouldn't much like her. Sweet old Maybell Brown loves God, loves family, and loves the South.

She always  believes America is a Christian Nation, and well the golden rule should be the law of the land.

She believes in propriety, decency, and honor. I love that old woman. If she knew about the manner and character of women I have...associated with in the past.. .and the thoughts I actually have had about attractive women...well ...lets just say Id be ashamed to be around her..and hope to God she'd forgive me....or think of me in a charitable light.

And this woman.. this barbaric.... uncivilized woman... has the temerity to believe that marriage is a sacred institution  between one man and one woman! And no, she'd never bake a cake for a gay couple. She just wouldn't..because she doesn't believe the lifestyle is right or proper.

But..but Im sure if they knew of her the ACLU and American Atheists would come at her with knives drawn. Well... Ill let you atheists know that there are parts of America... that will resist your way of telling us what to do.

There are true blue, all American country cooking values that still exist. And I promise you..they are going nowhere!

What we argue against is the continued attacks by believers on everybody who does not believe exactly as they do.

They try to impose and impose and impose and then complain when people say "now hang on a minute"

Christians in the US have a virtual monopoly on power and then complain that non-Christians are asking for more equality.

[Amarok]

Is it usually atheists trying to legalize their disbelief or christians trying to legalize their believes onto others?

Not at all.  I don't mind atheists, but I get sick of the "nutty" atheists protesting everything.  Go be happy atheists without imposing your personal beliefs on everybody else or trying to invalidate others and their beliefs.  If it's not complaining, it's copying.

"Hey, church is stupid, so let's go make our own, so we have a place to complain."
"Look, the churches have tax exemptions.  Let's go complain about them having it and demand equal exemptions."
"Oh no, someone prayed in a public park.  Let's go interfere with their pray time with signs and yelling and insist they remove themselves from public property."

On and on and on and on...

Not all do it, but the ones that do are incredibly annoying.

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The courts are not always right

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I agree they are not always right, but once something is ruled on in the Supreme Court, it's considered final.  If someone feels it was unfair, they would most likely need to appeal to congress to write the current laws differently or incorporate a new law.  But regardless, it wouldn't change that individual case.

I'm talking about moral argument not the legal one

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Not at all.  I don't mind atheists, but I get sick of the "nutty" atheists protesting everything.  Go be happy atheists without imposing your personal beliefs on everybody else or trying to invalidate others and their beliefs.  If it's not complaining, it's copying

To bad were not "imposing " our "beliefs "

"Hey, church is stupid, so let's go make our own, so we have a place to complain."

False the cult is not our church and last I checked they do a lot more then complain (last I checked that's not imposing )

"Look, the churches have tax exemptions.  Let's go complain about them having it and demand equal exemptions."

Yup equality demands it (and last I checked that's not imposing ) either they pay taxes or we don't . No special rights .

"Oh no, someone prayed in a public park.  Let's go interfere with their pray time with signs and yelling and insist they remove themselves from public property."

Yup keep your religion in your church and out of government funded spaces and funny people who were doing that prayer would likely have a freak out if the satanic temple did it  . and  religion is not is not free from criticism if they have a public space to pray we have the same right to insist they take it back to their church .

On and on and on and on...

Nope

Not all do it, but the ones that do are incredibly annoying.

Opinion

[Cod]

So everybody has to agree with you?  If not, call them names.  Got it.

No. If they're discriminating in the name of a silly religion then call them names.

[unfogged]

Look. I accept that atheists live in the world. You are part of our society.

How very big of you. Do you realize at all how condescending and pompous that sounds?

But I really can't see why you have to force Christians to follow your dictates.

My irony meter just exploded.

.... And this woman.. this barbaric.... uncivilized woman... has the temerity to believe that marriage is a sacred institution  between one man and one woman! And no, she'd never bake a cake for a gay couple. She just wouldn't..because she doesn't believe the lifestyle is right or proper.

She sounds like a naturally decent person who has a moral compass that has been severely damaged by the narrow-minded, bigoted dictates of her religion. She can take joy in the happiness of others only as long as it is a form of happiness that she approves of. It is sad the she can't relax and accept others for who they are without condemning that for not behaving according to her limited views. Without religion she'd probably be even sweeter than she is now.

But..but Im sure if they knew of her the ACLU and American Atheists would come at her with knives drawn. Well... Ill let you atheists know that there are parts of America... that will resist your way of telling us what to do.

There are true blue, all American country cooking values that still exist. And I promise you..they are going nowhere!

The ACLU and AA don't come with knives drawn but they do resist the xians telling the rest of us how we have to live and how we have to treat people who are not doing any harm. You can keep believing any unsupported nonsense you want to but please keep it to yourself. We're sick of having it dictate how everybody must act.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

So everybody has to agree with you?  If not, call them names.  Got it.

No. If they're discriminating in the name of a silly religion then call them names.

Nobody discriminated.  The bakery owners were vindicated by our highest court.  Sounds like maybe you're the one discriminating if you feel you have to call others names.

[Natachan]

The Supreme Court hasn’t ruled that businesses can discriminate. In fact the court ruling specifically states that they are not ruling on the merits of religious expression and public accommodation. The ruling was that the lower court was rude to the baker by saying true things, so they granted him relief.

If you run a for profit business you must serve all the public. Period. We’ve had this fight before, we used to allow people to discriminate based on their personal or religious beliefs. That didn’t work out so well. Now we say you can’t do that. If you sell product x to the public, you have to sell it to ALL the public. Don’t like it? Join up with a church and work as a non-profit.

I have NEVER heard of anyone being bothered for doing Christian prayers in public. I have have heard of publicly sponsored activities being shut down because that would be a government endorsement of religion. Which is wrong. But you know what I have heard of? A lot? Openly Muslim, Sikh, Jews and atheists being harassed. Non-Christians who pray in public being harassed.

[Angrboda]

Is it usually atheists trying to legalize their disbelief or christians trying to legalize their believes onto others?

Not at all.  I don't mind atheists, but I get sick of the "nutty" atheists protesting everything.  Go be happy atheists without imposing your personal beliefs on everybody else or trying to invalidate others and their beliefs.  If it's not complaining, it's copying.

"Hey, church is stupid, so let's go make our own, so we have a place to complain."
"Look, the churches have tax exemptions.  Let's go complain about them having it and demand equal exemptions."
"Oh no, someone prayed in a public park.  Let's go interfere with their pray time with signs and yelling and insist they remove themselves from public property."

On and on and on and on...

Not all do it, but the ones that do are incredibly annoying.

Advocating for what one feels is good and prudent for people to do, and supporting its enshrinement in law, is everybody's right in the U.S., and, sometimes only to a limited extent, in most other countries. Theists do it all the time. You only seem to have a problem if atheists do it, too. In that you show yourself to be nothing but a whiny hypocrite.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

"Hey, church is stupid, so let's go make our own, so we have a place to complain."
"Look, the churches have tax exemptions.  Let's go complain about them having it and demand equal exemptions."
"Oh no, someone prayed in a public park.  Let's go interfere with their pray time with signs and yelling and insist they remove themselves from public property."

1.  This is unfair - we atheists can complain without forming churches. I'm aware that some atheist groups form churches.  This, technically speaking, is known as 'religious freedom', a concept that the majority of atheists heartily embrace.

2.  I'm unaware of atheists wanting to be tax exempt (although I'm sure there are some).  What we would prefer - generally speaking - is that churches be taxed like any other for-profit entity.

3.  I'd like specific examples on this one.

Boru

[ResoluteBaptist]

Look. I feel that our town of Foxborough is being threatened.

Ms. Brown adamantly tells me she will never bake a cake, a pastry or a pudding for any couple who is living in sin.

That includes any cohabitating couple or any gay couple.

Why would anyone persecute her so

[The Grand Nudger]

Just a matter of time until federal troops storm your houses and steal all the magic books, I'm sure.