what do you guys think about this controversy surrounding the March for Life?

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, Drich, native americans in canadia were subject to the same shit that native americans in murrica were. The vast majority of any of the incidents that we might refer to happened along and across the canadian usian border or involved populations displaced from those regions.

Yes, canada took the natives shit. Yes, canada resettled the natives, and then resettled the natives, and then resettled the natives..and then literally stole their children for "reducation". All while spreading disease knowingly, unknowingly, intentionally, and unintenionally. If this all sounds familiar, it's because it should. I was happening across the entire american contintent, north and south...and it took 400 years.....

[Drich]

Then canada...then the us.  We were a century or more late to the party...but we made up with gusto what we lacked in punctuality.

The rise and fall of the Iron Confederacy was a pan north american endeavour that linked canada and the us and the natives in the demise of pre columbian civilization across the span of time covering the early fur trade to the 1850's.

Trail of tears anyone.. the iron confederacy is when the US took plain's indians and marched them up to the north west territories

[The Grand Nudger]

No drich, it's not.  I know you have the internet, use it.

The Assiniboine are believed to have originated on the southern edge of the Laurentian Shield in present-day Minnesota. They became a separate people from their closest linguistic cousins, the Yanktonai Dakota, sometime prior to 1640 when they are first mentioned by Europeans in the Jesuit Relation. They were not a member of the "Seven Fires Council" of the Great Sioux Nation by this time and were referred to by other Sioux speakers as the Hohe or "rebels". By 1806 the historical evidence definitively locates them in the Assiniboine River valley in present-day Saskatchewan and Manitoba.[3]

The Cree had been in contact with Europeans since around 1611 when Henry Hudson reached their ancestral homeland around Hudson and James Bays.[4] The traditional view of historians, based on the accounts of white traders, is that once the Hudson's Bay Company (HBC) began to establish itself in the Hudson Bay region, two branches of the Cree began moving west and south to act as middlemen traders. They denied other plains peoples access to the HBC, except for the Assiniboine, in exchange for peaceful relations.[5] A more recent view, based on oral history and linguistic evidence, suggests that the Cree were already established west of Lake Winnipeg when the HBC arrived, and were likely present as far west as the Peace River Region of present-day Alberta.[6]

When the Hudson's Bay Company opened its first bayside posts in 1668 and 1688, the Cree became their main customers and resellers. Prior to this the Cree had been at the northwestern edge of a trade system linked to the French, from which they received only the secondhand goods others were ready to discard. Once in possession of direct access to European tools and weapons, the Cree were able to expand rapidly West.[5]

The earliest written record of the military and political relations of the nations west of Hudson's Bay comes from Henry Kelsey's journal circa 1690–1692. In it, he states that the Cree and the Assiniboine had good relations with the Blackfoot and were already allies against the "Eagle Birch Indians, Mountain Poets, and Nayanwattame Poets" (the identities of these groups is uncertain but they may have been other Siouan-speakers, or Gros Ventres).[7]

The history of the Stoney before the mid-eighteenth century are obscure. They speak a Siouan language they call nakoda, which is little different from Assiniboine. The present-day Stoney Nation of Alberta believes that Kelsey's mention of the "Mountain Poets" may refer to their ancestors.[8] However the consensus view is that they were not yet a separate people from the Assiniboine. There is clear evidence of them as a separate group from 1754–1755 when Anthony Henday wrote of camping with "Stone" families near present-day Red Deer, Alberta. The Stoney were already trading with the Cree fur traders at this point and were military allies.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Confederacy

Notice that we haven't even made it to 1776 yet?

[Drich]

No drich, it's not.  I know you have the internet, use it.

The Assiniboine are believed to have originated on the southern edge of the Laurentian Shield in present-day Minnesota. They became a separate people from their closest linguistic cousins, the Yanktonai Dakota, sometime prior to 1640 when they are first mentioned by Europeans in the Jesuit Relation. They were not a member of the "Seven Fires Council" of the Great Sioux Nation by this time and were referred to by other Sioux speakers as the Hohe or "rebels". By 1806 the historical evidence definitively locates them in the Assiniboine River valley in present-day Saskatchewan and Manitoba.[3]

The Cree had been in contact with Europeans since around 1611 when Henry Hudson reached their ancestral homeland around Hudson and James Bays.[4] The traditional view of historians, based on the accounts of white traders, is that once the Hudson's Bay Company (HBC) began to establish itself in the Hudson Bay region, two branches of the Cree began moving west and south to act as middlemen traders. They denied other plains peoples access to the HBC, except for the Assiniboine, in exchange for peaceful relations.[5] A more recent view, based on oral history and linguistic evidence, suggests that the Cree were already established west of Lake Winnipeg when the HBC arrived, and were likely present as far west as the Peace River Region of present-day Alberta.[6]

When the Hudson's Bay Company opened its first bayside posts in 1668 and 1688, the Cree became their main customers and resellers. Prior to this the Cree had been at the northwestern edge of a trade system linked to the French, from which they received only the secondhand goods others were ready to discard. Once in possession of direct access to European tools and weapons, the Cree were able to expand rapidly West.[5]

The earliest written record of the military and political relations of the nations west of Hudson's Bay comes from Henry Kelsey's journal circa 1690–1692. In it, he states that the Cree and the Assiniboine had good relations with the Blackfoot and were already allies against the "Eagle Birch Indians, Mountain Poets, and Nayanwattame Poets" (the identities of these groups is uncertain but they may have been other Siouan-speakers, or Gros Ventres).[7]

The history of the Stoney before the mid-eighteenth century are obscure. They speak a Siouan language they call nakoda, which is little different from Assiniboine. The present-day Stoney Nation of Alberta believes that Kelsey's mention of the "Mountain Poets" may refer to their ancestors.[8] However the consensus view is that they were not yet a separate people from the Assiniboine. There is clear evidence of them as a separate group from 1754–1755 when Anthony Henday wrote of camping with "Stone" families near present-day Red Deer, Alberta. The Stoney were already trading with the Cree fur traders at this point and were military allies.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Confederacy

Notice that we haven't even made it to 1776 yet?

apples and oranges.

In the US not one tribe stands on it's orginal tribal lands, while many tribes in the norther terrotories have been on lands that date back to their orginal migration!

And you point to what a single conflict as being the same? We did to the indians what hitler wanted to do with the jews. If we waited 100 years to do this the world would have risen up against the USA and 'we'd be the monsters the nazi's talk about.

[onlinebiker]

No drich, it's not.  I know you have the internet, use it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Confederacy

Notice that we haven't even made it to 1776 yet?

apples and oranges.

In the US not one tribe stands on it's orginal tribal lands, while many tribes in the norther terrotories have been on lands that date back to their orginal migration!

And you point to what a single conflict as being the same? We did to the indians what hitler wanted to do with the jews. If we waited 100 years to do this the world would have risen up against the USA and 'we'd be the monsters the nazi's talk about.

And if the " white man" ( ain' t THAT some racist shit??) had never showed up on this continent - the " natives" would have eventually enslaved or exterminated one group or another, once they acquired the technology to do so.


Why?

Because they are human beings, just like all the rest - and it seems that' s what we do......

[Amarok]

And if the " white man" ( ain' t THAT some racist shit??)

Well it wasn't the Japanese 

had never showed up on this continent - the " natives" would have eventually enslaved or exterminated one group or another, once they acquired the technology to do so.

That's not an excuse 

Why?

Because they are human beings, just like all the rest - and it seems that' s what we do......

Still not an excuse

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apples and oranges.

Nope 

In the US not one tribe stands on it's orginal tribal lands, while many tribes in the norther terrotories have been on lands that date back to their orginal migration!

Yeah because they were forced off 

And you point to what a single conflict as being the same? We did to the indians what hitler wanted to do with the jews. If we waited 100 years to do this the world would have risen up against the USA and 'we'd be the monsters the nazi's talk about.

Lol

[The Grand Nudger]

There's no reason to even posit what ifs or eventualities.  The natives already were fighting and enslaving one another.  That was part of the complete failure to organize a credible resistance.  It seems that natives of the immediate post columbian and even into american independence didn't immediately grasp the full weight of the situation before them, or that they would need to squash their existing tribal rivalries - those that did were successful, but it was too little, too late.  

The Iron Confederacy is basically the textbook for shifting relationships and situations as they developed from european contact to murricas final solution.