I wan't to express, that I disliked Rick and Morty season 3

[Shell B]

Honestly? I thought the first few episodes were the worst. I didn't start liking it until later on.

[Homeless Nutter]

Yes, it is wacky, but it's never been that wacky.

Wackiness is difficult to quantify. Although I did find some of the ideas in the last season a bit more "out there". Like Pickle Rick, for example.

If it's meant to move the plot forward and it's not a joke it has to make sense, not necessarily in the real world, but in the fictional world that it's created.

Sure, but in a world, where a person can turn into a pickled cucumber with a face, it may be difficult to tell what makes sense. I understand - and partially share - your disapproval of the direction the show has taken this last season, but I didn't really have very high expectations, so I didn't feel disappointed. I can enjoy the show for what it is - a Futurama rip-off...

It's not bad to use a character just for jokes, but the jokes need to be good. As you said, humor is subjective, but I personally cannot understand how Mr. Poopybutthole's mere existence is funny. I found him funny at first, in his first appearance and in the last episode of season 2. But then in season 3 he once appeared in one of Morty's memories, where he was asking the young boy for his hand in marriage and Morty was crying tears of joy. Morty is underage, the fact that he was asked by a funny looking creature with a silly name doesn't make it funny. Maybe they were just pretending. In that case Morty is a hell of a good actor being able to cry on command. Also, if they were just pretending, why would Rick erase Morty's memory? I don't see why Rick would have anything against an innocent role play and also no reason why Morty and Mr. Poopybutthole would keep it a secret. And if they were just role playing, why not tell the audience directly? Are the creators going for pure shock value? Mr Poopybutthole appears once again in the last episode of season 3, where he just says that he went back to school and then made a family. I don't find it funny and the story is so simple and adds nothing to the main plot that it could've been taken out entirely.

The way I see it - it's sort of a meta-joke. I do find it funny, that someone would not only come up with such a ridiculous and lame character, but keep bringing him back, for no apparent reason.

That was the idea, he doesn't add anything new to the mix. If they made a joke about Mr Poopybutthole and his girlfriend looking identical, it would've worked. Maybe if someone mistook her for him in drag or something like that.

I don't think I would find that funny. It's not that kind of comedy. I still think you're overthinking it.

Some things are funny because they make no sense, or because they're obviously out of place. And some jokes are not meant to be funny - they're called "groan jokes" and their whole point is that they are really lame and everyone knows it. The idea is, that a joke divides people between those who get it and those who don't. A purposefully bad joke unites the audience, regardless of individual members' sense of humor, or intelligence, because everyone understands that the joke is not funny, so nobody feels left out. It's possible, that where you live this type of joke is not very common - I don't remember this kind of humor from my childhood, growing up in Central Europe. But they're pretty much a tradition here, in England.

[The Valkyrie]

Honestly? I thought the first few episodes were the worst. I didn't start liking it until later on.

So I should give it another go?

I only watched the first couple of episodes.

[Yonadav]

Honestly? I thought the first few episodes were the worst. I didn't start liking it until later on.

So I should give it another go?

I only watched the first couple of episodes.

I felt that with the first episode in particular, Rick was a little too disgusting to be interesting. And Morty was a little too, uh, unexceptional. They changed Rick a little too much as the stories progressed. He went from being someone who didn't care at all what others thought of him to being someone who was pretty interested in being the center of attention.

[Shell B]

Honestly? I thought the first few episodes were the worst. I didn't start liking it until later on.

So I should give it another go?

I only watched the first couple of episodes.

I think so. The first few episodes were boring and they used Rick's belch too often. It's not funny when it's every other word.

[Der/die AtheistIn]

Sure, but in a world, where a person can turn into a pickled cucumber with a face, it may be difficult to tell what makes sense. I understand - and partially share - your disapproval of the direction the show has taken this last season, but I didn't really have very high expectations, so I didn't feel disappointed. I can enjoy the show for what it is - a Futurama rip-off... 

Personally, I never thought that Rick turning himself into a pickle was in it on itself that wacky, on the other hand his reason to do so was what I truly found ridiculous. The show it's sci-fi, which means that the natural laws are different from the real life. When making sci-fi, if it's not for comedy, you have to follow your rules. In Rick and Morty a rule is that kids are a lot like the ones in real life. Also, I think that it would've make a lot more sense and it would be a lot more interesting if evil Morty, instead of becoming the president himself, was controlling a leader which was a Rick. 
Also, I don't believe this is an actual Futurama rip-off.

[Homeless Nutter]

Personally, I never thought that Rick turning himself into a pickle was in it on itself that wacky, on the other hand his reason to do so was what I truly found ridiculous. The show it's sci-fi, which means that the natural laws are different from the real life.

Actually - that would be fantasy. Sci-fi generally builds on our existing reality, using technology and theoretical scientific and philosophical concepts to explain what appears to be supernatural. The Pickle Rick episode is pretty difficult to explain in those terms. It's mostly just wacky cartoon fun.

When making sci-fi, if it's not for comedy, you have to follow your rules. In Rick and Morty a rule is that kids are a lot like the ones in real life.

Yes, for the most part. But in the show's multiverse there clearly exist exceptions to every rule. And most Ricks seem to be aware of that. If there can be mentally deficient Ricks, there can be particularly mature, or gifted Mortys - all of which is consistently depicted in the episode. You may find it unrealistic, but again - it's a cartoon.

Also, I think that it would've make a lot more sense and it would be a lot more interesting if evil Morty, instead of becoming the president himself, was controlling a leader which was a Rick. 

Maybe. But wasn't that kind of what happened when Evil Morty originally appeared? Perhaps the creators didn't want to repeat the same scenario.

Also, I don't believe this is an actual Futurama rip-off.

Isn't it, though? Well, not exactly, but the idea behind both shows is largely the same: a young, unremarkable guy has wild adventures in space, exploring various sci-fi and fantasy concepts, facilitated by a simple sci-fi trope - a journey to the future, or an eccentric scientific genius. Both shows have an episodic format, allowing for different adventures to be largely unrelated and for things to go back to "normal" at the end of each episode, but still retain some continuity and character development through overarching plots. Both rely heavily on pop-cultural references, both for plot and humor. And even though "Rick and Morty" is way darker and cynical, the humor in both shows is not all that different.

And there are some striking similarities between Rick Sanchez and Bender Rodriguez, but maybe that's just because they're both alcoholics.

[Der/die AtheistIn]

Actually - that would be fantasy. Sci-fi generally builds on our existing reality, using technology and theoretical scientific and philosophical concepts to explain what appears to be supernatural. The Pickle Rick episode is pretty difficult to explain in those terms. It's mostly just wacky cartoon fun. 

I have a different opinion. Sci-fi does have to do with technology and theoretical concepts to explain what happens to be impossible or unknown if possible in our real world. Fantasy either doesn't give any explanation or gives magic as an explanation. Rick - a scientist - turned himself into a pickle using science, not magic, thus making it sci-fi. A ridiculous sci-fi but sci-fi nonetheless.

Yes, for the most part. But in the show's multiverse there clearly exist exceptions to every rule. And most Ricks seem to be aware of that. If there can be mentally deficient Ricks, there can be particularly mature, or gifted Mortys - all of which is consistently depicted in the episode. You may find it unrealistic, but again - it's a cartoon.

I talked about it in the OP. I do see it as a possibility that there are universes in which children are as mature as adults or at least for  some Mortys to be as mature as adults. What bugs is that the show never established that this is the case with evil Morty. Maybe the show doesn't want to tell it directly, but I personally don't see any (good) hints.
He does act mature, however his opponents act so immature that he comes across as adult like mature only in comparison to them. This doesn't prove he thinks like a kid, it just doesn't give any hint that he doesn't. These supposedly genius Ricks are so easy to manipulate that not only does it not prove that evil Morty has the mind of an adult, but he also comes across as a not so good of a villain, not because of his own traits, but because he has such weak opponents.

Maybe. But wasn't that kind of what happened when Evil Morty originally appeared? Perhaps the creators didn't want to repeat the same scenario.

I don't see any problem if they repeated the scenario. Evil Morty wasn't caught the first time, if he pretended that he is a normal Morty nobody would suspect him. This time he could make a self destruct system on Rick so that nobody could find out he was mind controlled. The other Ricks know that evil Rick was mind controlled, what if they became scared of mind control? What if evil Morty took their fright to his advantage? They could've also make evil Morty try to mind control someone, but fail. They could've also had him pretending that he's a normal Morty while planning other things than mind control. 
Also, why would the creators worry about repetition, when they themselves repeated two times a joke in Ricklantis Mixup which they already used in Raising Gazorpazorp? Not only that, but they repeated the joke once in the  first appereance. Rule number 1 of comedy is a joke isn't funny the second time you hear it, or at least is less funny.

Here is the joke in the first episode: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJFSJQvAUI[/video]

First time it was funny, because you were expecting him to use actual words. Second time, not as funny.

Now, in the newer one, it takes place before Morty's speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2S0_JKSm1Q

The first Rick farts with no bild-up for it and the next to basically repeat the original joke only with slightly different lines.

Call it "meh" humor if you will and you have the right to do what you want, but I don't think that it truly brings us together. So we all have something in common excluding our many differences and we are all equally bored. Look, I may have criticized it, but truth is, I find it harmless.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Tried to watch it.


It's like steel panties, hard to get into.

But once you do it grips you by the balls?

[Homeless Nutter]

I have a different opinion. Sci-fi does have to do with technology and theoretical concepts to explain what happens to be impossible or unknown if possible in our real world. Fantasy either doesn't give any explanation or gives magic as an explanation. Rick - a scientist - turned himself into a pickle using science, not magic, thus making it sci-fi. A ridiculous sci-fi but sci-fi nonetheless.

Sure. I wasn't implying that the episode belongs in the fantasy genre, just that sci-fi has to take real life natural laws into account. The mad scientist trope does make it - technically - sci-fi. But the idea of people transforming into inanimate objects (and back), while retaining some human traits, like their personality, intellect, voice, face - that's something straight out of fairy-tales. But mostly - it's a wacky cartoon thing.

I talked about it in the OP. I do see it as a possibility that there are universes in which children are as mature as adults or at least for  some Mortys to be as mature as adults. What bugs is that the show never established that this is the case with evil Morty. Maybe the show doesn't want to tell it directly, but I personally don't see any (good) hints.
He does act mature, however his opponents act so immature that he comes across as adult like mature only in comparison to them. This doesn't prove he thinks like a kid, it just doesn't give any hint that he doesn't. These supposedly genius Ricks are so easy to manipulate that not only does it not prove that evil Morty has the mind of an adult, but he also comes across as a not so good of a villain, not because of his own traits, but because he has such weak opponents.

Perhaps. But have you ever wondered why the protagonist Rick - the Rick-est Rick of all - hates the idea of a Citadel, has very low opinion of other Ricks and is able to outsmart them with relative ease? Maybe the message is, that bureaucracy and conformity make Ricks dumb and ineffective - enough for someone like Evil Morty to exploit that.

Also - Americans elected Donald Trump to be their president 2 years ago. I rest my case.

I don't see any problem if they repeated the scenario. Evil Morty wasn't caught the first time, if he pretended that he is a normal Morty nobody would suspect him.

Yes, but the viewers - at least some of them - would probably notice. It's the creators' choice - whatever they do, they'll piss of some people. And clearly they wanted to make a political statement, of sorts, or at least they wanted to depict a crazy election - for god-knows-what unimaginable reason.

This time he could make a self destruct system on Rick so that nobody could find out he was mind controlled. The other Ricks know that evil Rick was mind controlled, what if they became scared of mind control? What if evil Morty took their fright to his advantage? They could've also make evil Morty try to mind control someone, but fail. They could've also had him pretending that he's a normal Morty while planning other things than mind control. 
Also, why would the creators worry about repetition, when they themselves repeated two times a joke in Ricklantis Mixup which they already used in Raising Gazorpazorp? Not only that, but they repeated the joke once in the  first appereance.

That's jokes. Having similar jokes is one thing, repeating the same plot is another. Sure - they could have done it. But the point is - they didn't have to if they didn't want to.

Call it "meh" humor if you will and you have the right to do what you want, but I don't think that it truly brings us together. So we all have something in common excluding our many differences and we are all equally bored. Look, I may have criticized it, but truth is, I find it harmless.

It's not "meh humor", it's "groan humor" - and I didn't make it up. Here in UK people tell each other old bad jokes as part of Christmas celebrations, so that everyone can sarcastically say "ha ha" and roll their eyes. Mr Poopybutthole - and many other jokes on "Rick and Morty" - is the same exact idea, imho - we all get to say: "That's a stupid name, a pointless character and the voice actor doesn't seem to know his lines. But it doesn't matter."

Sure - few people might not get it, especially young people, who are generally allowed to take entertainment too seriously. One kind of "groan joke" is a "dad joke", which is the kind of stupid childish joke, that parents tell their teenage offspring and laugh as kids roll their eyes and complain about being embarrassed by their uncool family.

And no - we're clearly not equally bored. Many people don't seem to have the same reaction to the last season, as you. The show is obviously gaining popularity, which is why it's been renewed for unprecedented 70 episodes. And again - I'm not a die-hard fan of the series, but I enjoy it for what it is. And if I stop finding it enjoyable - I'll just stop watching, no big deal. I'm pirating it anyway...