Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated?

[adey67]

Pretty much, but who tries a traitor?  Unless we're willing to officially abdicate that responsibility to a syrian court.........

I personally don't care if they choose to stay out there and don't get charged with anything because the whole region is one giant shit hole right now so life isn't very pleasant for them anyway which is probably why they want to come back in the first place but if they come back to the US UK or Europe or anywhere else they should be charged with treason especially if its the UK or Europe as prison terms are a fraction of those in the US.

[Shell B]

Pretty much, but who tries a traitor?  Unless we're willing to officially abdicate that responsibility to a syrian court.........

Given that the crimes she committed more likely hurt people over there more than here, I can't see why not.

[The Grand Nudger]

They™ can only be charged with treason by us, or by whomever we have officially abdicated authority - while acknowledging our responsibility.  That's the trouble.

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Pretty much, but who tries a traitor?  Unless we're willing to officially abdicate that responsibility to a syrian court.........

Given that the crimes she committed more likely hurt people over there more than here, I can't see why not.

Hey, it's a thing we do (or at least a thing we have done before).....but we do it out in the open.  "Yes, she's ours, yes...you can do whatever with the full power and authority of american courts."

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So, for additional info.  The job I used to hold in the service as an NCO was MOUT training.  That's what defines an NCO.   NCOs are not, necessarily, combatants.   They are trainers and leaders (CO's don't train, they direct NCO's -to- train).  I trained foreign nationals and service personnel, both in country (our country) and at remote sites (the balkans).  I was shot, in the chest, by someone I trained (someone I bunked with, I met his wife and his kids and his nieces and nephews and for all the world assumed I was part of his family - I still have  Quran he gave me and annotated in the margins, in english, on my shelf).  It was a beautiful shot.  I have two mass burn marks to add to my collection of private scars, center, where the rounds hit.  

Is he a traitor?  No.  He did what any enemy combatant would do.  He found a way to avail himself of the SOP of the enemy.  Good on him.  I'd do exactly the same thing and (if we won) be hailed as a hero. I can't bring myself to dislike him, let alone loathe him.  US courts would have no jurisdiction over his allegiances.  He's dead, for reference.  However, had any of the service personnel I trained then gone on to accept training positions with ISIS, they would be non nationals in the vien of the stated legislation...but any person, foreign national or service personnel or joe or jane on th street...that took what I taught them and fought as grunts for the enemy...while they may be traitors...did not by action revoke the citizenship that grants them due process.

I wish, to this day...that my best friend in the world was a US citizen who could be extradited and stand trial and I could visit him, alive, and get closure. He wasn't. He was killed incidentally by 11juliet fire and I will never have the satisfaction of that catharsis... a satisfaction that I cannot rob any other person of if it's available. I'm as hetero as all get out...but no woman has ever broken my heart. That took Some Guy™...from Nowheresville. His death is still a regret, in my mind - though I had nothing in specific to do with it. Anyone who has been harmed by this american citizen of OP fame deserves...and is afforded by a hard responsibility, the sort of closure and catharsis that I could never have. She is an american. She should be tried in american courts as a traitor to the United States and found guilty...in front of every dead serviceman's family. Full....fucking.......stop.

[Shell B]

Sure, if it's treason she's to be charged with. She hasn't been charged by anyone, as far as I know.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and she never -can be- if everyone on earth denies her citizenship. That means that she's guilty of no crime whatsoever, lol (and I can't accept that). A person who is a citizen of nowhere is beholden to no law and can commit no crimes.

[fredd bear]

-and she never -can be- if everyone on earth denies her citizenship.  That means that she's guilty of no crime whatsoever, lol (and I can't accept that).  A person who is a citizen of nowhere is beholden to no law and can commit no crimes.

 I think there might be flaw in that argument.

Treason is a political crime, so yeah, no country, no treason. 

I suspect a stateless person will be arrested and tried for a civil crime, such as theft  or murder in the country in which the crime was committed.

I've been rather stunned at the passionate judgments of this girl .(I say 'girl' because she is still only 19).

Which country has she harmed, and how?   I'l be thrilled to have a rational answer, without the emotionalism.

[The Grand Nudger]

A stateless person is not a member of any civil society, either.  They're from no where, beholden to nothing and no one.

She's categorically innocent on those grounds. A person has to assert a state, with laws..... for her to be guilty of anything.

Don't get me wrong...I think that she should spend the rest of her life alive and in jail, because she plainly is a US citizen and our laws apply.  As opposed to the syrian memory hole of legal nonexistence.

If you're asking me "which country has she harmed" then you are discrediting the basis on any prosecution by anyone. Innocent, again...if you have something to say.

[Shell B]

-and she never -can be- if everyone on earth denies her citizenship.  That means that she's guilty of no crime whatsoever, lol (and I can't accept that).  A person who is a citizen of nowhere is beholden to no law and can commit no crimes.

A prosecutor would have to decide she's worth trying. If there isn't enough to go on, it's not worth it.

[The Grand Nudger]

There's plenty to go on, by her own admission.  Prosecutors aren't making this decision.... (the decision is to prosecute everything because they're prosecutors, btw) .

Did she commit crimes if shes a US citizen?  YUP.  If she's not?  Who cares...US prosecutors can't do shit about that.   

Everything....everything......begins with an acknowledgement that she's One of Ours™.

[Shell B]

No way. Prosecutors decide not to try cases all the time. Why would they try something if they don't think they'll win?