Active shooter in NZ

[Jackie]

-and yet the dumpster fire in cheif has pride of place in the assholes manifesto.  Seems like it actually does matter.

It matters to you. You're delighted by it. A bad guy mentioned Trump! So now it's all about Trump.

No we are not delighted by it. No other president prior, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT would have behaved the same way the orange fuckface bully has.


Trump has done nothing but divide this country. He does not give a shit about division, he needs it to distract from his own corruption.

You dont call Mexicans rapists, call for bans on an entire religion, and claim that there are "fine people" whom are members of the KKK and Nazis.

[Belacqua]

REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT

Let's keep in mind, though, that official US policy has been to attack Muslims, for years now.

Obama dropped 100,000 bombs in 8 Muslim-majority countries, and drastically expanded the drone program. Islamophobia drives and permits violence at all levels, by both parties.

[Jackie]

REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT

Let's keep in mind, though, that official US policy has been to attack Muslims, for years now.

Obama dropped 100,000 bombs in 8 Muslim-majority countries, and drastically expanded the drone program. Islamophobia drives and permits violence at all levels, by both parties.

Um no, their policy has been to fund the military industrial complex.  The Vietnam War and Korean War were not fought against Muslims. And don't think that the Trump administration isn't looking for a way to invade Venezuela or start a war with North Korea now.

Unfortunately war is profitable, but America is not the only nation who invests in the global weapons market. Russia and China and the Saudis and Iran all invest in the global weapons industry.

Maybe humanity needs to blame humanity?

[Belacqua]

Um no, their policy has been to fund the military industrial complex.  

I should have been clearer. 

They will find lots of excuses to fund the military industrial complex. One of the most effective of recent years has been Islamophobia.

Talking about individual shooters in isolation makes no sense, when governments do the same on larger scales, and the media think it's great. 

Unfortunately war is profitable, but America is not the only nation who invests in the global weapons market. Russia and China and the Saudis and Iran all invest in the global weapons industry.

Maybe humanity needs to blame humanity?

Blaming humanity is right, but not if it takes the heat off our own government, media, etc. 

The USA far outdoes other countries in institutional violence.

[fredd bear]

[Belacqua]

As far as I'm aware, the man has been diagnosed as a malignant Narcissist.

If you're going to refer to the professional diagnostic manual, you should keep in mind that NO professional would diagnose someone based on media reports. 

I know you've said you don't want the responsibility of backing up your assertions, but I'd be very surprised if a real professional has offered a diagnosis.

[Jackie]

Um no, their policy has been to fund the military industrial complex.  

I should have been clearer. 

They will find lots of excuses to fund the military industrial complex. One of the most effective of recent years has been Islamophobia.

Talking about individual shooters in isolation makes no sense, when governments do the same on larger scales, and the media think it's great. 

Unfortunately war is profitable, but America is not the only nation who invests in the global weapons market. Russia and China and the Saudis and Iran all invest in the global weapons industry.

Maybe humanity needs to blame humanity?

Blaming humanity is right, but not if it takes the heat off our own government, media, etc. 

The USA far outdoes other countries in institutional violence.

Instead of blaming democrats as being equal in in this, maybe look at it as a fight between good and greed where the cons hold the sane hostage to the point they are forced to play the game.

So what are our options, live under China or Russia or North Korea, because they are far more likely to fund Iran than we would.

I am NOT giving our American conservatives a pass. I think far too much of old white money is still stuck on beating Hitler. But to claim every politician of any party wants our enemies to have power, or that everyone wants America to be colonialists is bullshit.

Conservatism promotes violence, not pluralism. Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and North Korea,  are hardly bastions of western pluralism.

[awty]

This thread isn't about Trump...or, at least it didn't start out that way.

How about we discuss the event without playing connect the dots to Trump. His diagnosis means nothing in this case. What needs to be happen is the reason for killings should be ascertained so that others that may be involved can be identified. Let the facts be revealed...that's how you can begin to understand.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I should have been clearer. 

They will find lots of excuses to fund the military industrial complex. One of the most effective of recent years has been Islamophobia.

Talking about individual shooters in isolation makes no sense, when governments do the same on larger scales, and the media think it's great. 


Blaming humanity is right, but not if it takes the heat off our own government, media, etc. 

The USA far outdoes other countries in institutional violence.

Instead of blaming democrats as being equal in in this, maybe look at it as a fight between good and greed where the cons hold the sane hostage to the point they are forced to play the game.

So what are our options, live under China or Russia or North Korea, because they are far more likely to fund Iran than we would.

I am NOT giving our American conservatives a pass. I think far too much of old white money is still stuck on beating Hitler. But to claim every politician of any party wants our enemies to have power, or that everyone wants America to be colonialists is bullshit.

Conservatism promotes violence, not pluralism. Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and North Korea,  are hardly bastions of western pluralism.

Is there a rest area somewhere between here and your fucking point?

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

This thread isn't about Trump...or, at least it didn't start out that way.

How about we discuss the event without playing connect the dots to Trump.   His diagnosis means nothing in this case.  What needs to be happen is the reason for killings should be ascertained so that others that may be involved can be identified.  Let the facts be revealed...that's how you can begin to understand.

Thank you sincerely.  I appreciate your focus.

Boru