Active shooter in NZ

[Brian37]

-and yet the dumpster fire in cheif has pride of place in the assholes manifesto.  Seems like it actually does matter.

It matters to you. You're delighted by it. A bad guy mentioned Trump! So now it's all about Trump.

No we are not delighted by it. No other president prior, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT would have behaved the same way the orange fuckface bully has.


Trump has done nothing but divide this country. He does not give a shit about division, he needs it to distract from his own corruption.

You dont call Mexicans rapists, call for bans on an entire religion, and claim that there are "fine people" whom are members of the KKK and Nazis.

[Belacqua]

REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT

Let's keep in mind, though, that official US policy has been to attack Muslims, for years now.

Obama dropped 100,000 bombs in 8 Muslim-majority countries, and drastically expanded the drone program. Islamophobia drives and permits violence at all levels, by both parties.

[Brian37]

REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT

Let's keep in mind, though, that official US policy has been to attack Muslims, for years now.

Obama dropped 100,000 bombs in 8 Muslim-majority countries, and drastically expanded the drone program. Islamophobia drives and permits violence at all levels, by both parties.

Um no, their policy has been to fund the military industrial complex.  The Vietnam War and Korean War were not fought against Muslims. And don't think that the Trump administration isn't looking for a way to invade Venezuela or start a war with North Korea now.

Unfortunately war is profitable, but America is not the only nation who invests in the global weapons market. Russia and China and the Saudis and Iran all invest in the global weapons industry.

Maybe humanity needs to blame humanity?

[Belacqua]

Um no, their policy has been to fund the military industrial complex.  

I should have been clearer. 

They will find lots of excuses to fund the military industrial complex. One of the most effective of recent years has been Islamophobia.

Talking about individual shooters in isolation makes no sense, when governments do the same on larger scales, and the media think it's great. 

Unfortunately war is profitable, but America is not the only nation who invests in the global weapons market. Russia and China and the Saudis and Iran all invest in the global weapons industry.

Maybe humanity needs to blame humanity?

Blaming humanity is right, but not if it takes the heat off our own government, media, etc. 

The USA far outdoes other countries in institutional violence.

[fredd bear]

Leave it to the usual suspects to make this all about Trump. Trump really wishes that he was as influential as these guys keep insisting that he is.

The world is currently experiencing the most massive migrations of human beings that has happened in quite some time. But that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it. Fear of mass migration isn't hardwired into people, right? History teaches us that no one has ever had anything to fear from mass migration, right? Obviously, everyone would be grabbing immigrants by the arm and pulling them into their homes and serving them cookies and ice cream, if only it weren't for that super influential Donald Trump. Damn you Donald! You ruined our warm and fuzzy relationship with mass migration!

Trump spent years implying that Obama was not born in America. Trump spent his campaign vilifying entire races and religions, and did so even after he took office. And just like Charlottsville, even today the fucker could not make an unequivocal condemnation that violence is not the solution. Only the the press secretary did slightly better. But that is not the job to dump responsibility to civility on your underlings. He didn't do what Obama or Bush Jr or Clinton or Bush Sr would have done, because the fucker doesn't want to lose his bigoted base.

 

 'Implying"? (suggested) Did I misread? It is my understanding that Trump flat out said Obama was not born in the US

 In terms of the New Zealand horror (40 dead and as many wounded) I have not the slightest interest in what PresidentTrump has said.
As far as I'm aware, the man has been diagnosed as a malignant Narcissist. Among other things, that means he has no empathy. I stopped trusting anything he says months ago.. 

I'm staggered that he has not bene removed from office. Very obvious that elected Republicans (especially) care far more about their political careers than the welfare of their country. But what  do I know?  I'm just an ignorant foreigner. 


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BELOW I've quoted the  DSM V (official diagnostic criteria, used by Psychologists and accepted by courts)

The criteria are very thorough. But I think Americans are in a better position than I  to judge:


Narcissistic  Personality Disorder 0n the DSM V:


The DSM V re-defines personality disorders thus:
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"The essential features of a personality disorder are impairments in personality (self and interpersonal) functioning and the presence of pathological personality traits."
According to the June 2011 text of the DSM V, the following criteria must be met to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder (in parentheses my comments):
Significant impairments in personality functioning in either identity, or self-direction (should be: in both.)
Identity
The narcissist keeps referring to others excessively in order to regulate his self-esteem (really, sense of self-worth) and for "self-definition" (to define his identity.) His self-appraisal is exaggerated, whether it is inflated, deflated, or fluctuating between these two poles and his emotional regulation reflects these vacillations.
(Finally, the DSM V accepted what I have been saying for decades: that narcissists can have an "inferiority complex" and feel worthless and bad; that they go through cycles of ups and downs in their self-evaluation; and ththis cycling influences their mood and affect.)
Self-direction
The narcissist sets goals in order to gain approval from others (narcissistic supply; the DSM V ignores the fact that the narcissist finds disapproval equally rewarding as long as it places him firmly in the limelight.) The narcissist lacks self-awareness as far as his motivation goes (and as far as everything else besides.)
The narcissist's personal standards and benchmarks are either too high (which supports his grandiosity), or too low (buttresses his sense of entitlement, which is incommensurate with his real-life performance.)
Impairments in interpersonal functioning in either empathy or intimacy (should be: in both.)
Empathy


The narcissist finds it difficult to identify with the emotions and needs of others, but is very attuned to their reactions when they are relevant to himself (cold empathy.) Consequently, he overestimates the effect he has on others or underestimates it (the classic narcissist never underestimates the effect he has on others - but the inverted narcissist does.)
Intimacy
The narcissist's relationships are self-serving and, therefore shallow and superficial. They are centred around and geared at the regulation of his self-esteem (obtaining narcissistic supply for the regulation of his labile sense of self-worth.)
The narcissist is not "genuinely" interested in his intimate partner's experiences (implying that he does fake such interest convincingly.) The narcissist emphasizes his need for personal gain (by using the word "need", the DSM V acknowledges the compulsive and addictive nature of narcissistic supply). These twin fixtures of the narcissist's relationships render them one-sided: no mutuality or reciprocity (no intimacy).
Pathological personality traits
Antagonism characterized by grandiosity and attention-seeking
Grandiosity
The aforementioned feeling of entitlement. The DSM V adds that it can be either overt or covert (which corresponds to my taxonomy of classic and inverted narcissist.)
Grandiosity is characterized by self-centredness; a firmly-held conviction of superiority (arrogance or haughtiness); and condescending or patronizing attitudes.
Attention-seeking
The narcissist puts inordinate effort, time, and resources into attracting others (sources of narcissistic supply) and placing himself at the focus and centre of attention. He seeks admiration (the DSM V gets it completely wrong here: the narcissist does prefer to be admired and adulated, but, failing that, any kind of attention would do, even if it is negative.)
The diagnostic criteria end with disclaimers and differential diagnoses, which reflect years of accumulated research and newly-gained knowledge:
The above enumerated impairments should be "stable across time and consistent across situations ... not better understood as normative for the individual’s developmental stage or socio-cultural environment ... are not solely due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head trauma)."
Bibliography
Goldman, Howard H., Review of General Psychiatry, fourth edition,1995.Prentice-HallInternational, London.
Gelder, Michael, Gath, Dennis, Mayou, Richard, Cowen, Philip (eds.),Oxford Textbook of Psychiatry, third edition, 1996, reprinted 2000. Oxford University Press, Oxford.
Vaknin, Sam, Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited, eighth revised impression, 1999-2006. Narcissus Publications, Prague and Skopje.
Westen, Drew et al. Refining the Construct of Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Diagnostic Criteria and Subtypes (Posted at http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/pap.dtl)

Author's Bio: 
Sam Vaknin ( http://samvak.tripod.com ) is the author of Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited and After the Rain - How the West Lost the East, as well as many other books and ebooks about topics in psychology, relationships, philosophy, economics, and international affairs.
He is the Editor-in-Chief of Global Politician and served as a columnist for Central Europe Review, PopMatters, eBookWeb , and Bellaonline, and as a United Press International (UPI) Senior Business Correspondent. He was the editor of mental health and Central East Europe categories in The Open Directory and Suite101.
Visit Sam's Web site at http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com


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[Belacqua]

As far as I'm aware, the man has been diagnosed as a malignant Narcissist.

If you're going to refer to the professional diagnostic manual, you should keep in mind that NO professional would diagnose someone based on media reports. 

I know you've said you don't want the responsibility of backing up your assertions, but I'd be very surprised if a real professional has offered a diagnosis.

[Brian37]

Um no, their policy has been to fund the military industrial complex.  

I should have been clearer. 

They will find lots of excuses to fund the military industrial complex. One of the most effective of recent years has been Islamophobia.

Talking about individual shooters in isolation makes no sense, when governments do the same on larger scales, and the media think it's great. 

Unfortunately war is profitable, but America is not the only nation who invests in the global weapons market. Russia and China and the Saudis and Iran all invest in the global weapons industry.

Maybe humanity needs to blame humanity?

Blaming humanity is right, but not if it takes the heat off our own government, media, etc. 

The USA far outdoes other countries in institutional violence.

Instead of blaming democrats as being equal in in this, maybe look at it as a fight between good and greed where the cons hold the sane hostage to the point they are forced to play the game.

So what are our options, live under China or Russia or North Korea, because they are far more likely to fund Iran than we would.

I am NOT giving our American conservatives a pass. I think far too much of old white money is still stuck on beating Hitler. But to claim every politician of any party wants our enemies to have power, or that everyone wants America to be colonialists is bullshit.

Conservatism promotes violence, not pluralism. Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and North Korea,  are hardly bastions of western pluralism.

[arewethereyet]

This thread isn't about Trump...or, at least it didn't start out that way.

How about we discuss the event without playing connect the dots to Trump. His diagnosis means nothing in this case. What needs to be happen is the reason for killings should be ascertained so that others that may be involved can be identified. Let the facts be revealed...that's how you can begin to understand.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I should have been clearer. 

They will find lots of excuses to fund the military industrial complex. One of the most effective of recent years has been Islamophobia.

Talking about individual shooters in isolation makes no sense, when governments do the same on larger scales, and the media think it's great. 


Blaming humanity is right, but not if it takes the heat off our own government, media, etc. 

The USA far outdoes other countries in institutional violence.

Instead of blaming democrats as being equal in in this, maybe look at it as a fight between good and greed where the cons hold the sane hostage to the point they are forced to play the game.

So what are our options, live under China or Russia or North Korea, because they are far more likely to fund Iran than we would.

I am NOT giving our American conservatives a pass. I think far too much of old white money is still stuck on beating Hitler. But to claim every politician of any party wants our enemies to have power, or that everyone wants America to be colonialists is bullshit.

Conservatism promotes violence, not pluralism. Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and North Korea,  are hardly bastions of western pluralism.

Is there a rest area somewhere between here and your fucking point?

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

This thread isn't about Trump...or, at least it didn't start out that way.

How about we discuss the event without playing connect the dots to Trump.   His diagnosis means nothing in this case.  What needs to be happen is the reason for killings should be ascertained so that others that may be involved can be identified.  Let the facts be revealed...that's how you can begin to understand.

Thank you sincerely.  I appreciate your focus.

Boru