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What is worse, lying when you have to justify your action or not giving any answer?
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RE: What is worse, lying when you have to justify your action or not giving any answer?
(March 18, 2019 at 7:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:Being very practical, it's perfectly OK in Islam to lie outright and even to deny your faith to preserve life. Christian are expected to become martyrs.

To be fair, Christians are permitted to lie for the greater glory of God. Romans 3:7.

Boru

No that's not what that means in context at all Boru. You cited a specific question " But if by my lie God’s truth is amplified to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? " Which is followed by an answer "8 And why not say, just as some people slanderously claim we say, “Let us do what is evil so that good may come”? Their condemnation is deserved!" The general topic of the chapter is we're all sinners even if God uses our lies for His glory.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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RE: What is worse, lying when you have to justify your action or not giving any answer?
(March 17, 2019 at 2:05 pm)Der/die AtheistIn Wrote: There are situations in life when when it's better to lie. For instance if you are an atheist child living in a household that doesn't tolerate atheists, or you are living in a country that gives severe punishments if you don't follow certain rules.
But what about non dangerous situations? If someone asks someone else why the latter is doing a certain thing, would it be worse to give a false reason or not to give any reason at all?

It really depends on the situation. I've had situations where I basically never gave an answer because the person was not worth responding to. One time, a girlfriend was livid with me because she was convinced that I had cheated on her. Nothing of the sort happened, but she had two girlfriends in her ear who absolutely hated me, or so it seemed (one because I actually denied her to be able to date the girl who later became my girlfriend), and they had her convinced I had stayed at some other girls house.

These two friends had been proven to be toxic assholes who constantly tried to stir up drama between, not only her and I, but also her and other friends in their immediate group. These two were attractive, but my ex was clearly the prettiest in the group, at least to me (beauty is in the eye of the beholder, of course), and I honestly feel like they were jealous of her. And because, to be honest, she was a bit naive when it came to her friends, she constantly let them get her embroiled in stupid nonsense that was a total waste of her time and energy.

Though my ex was sharp pretty much everywhere else, it always angered me that she let these two idiots get the best of her every single time. I had demonstrated MULTIPLE instances where they were outright lying to her to get a rise out of her. I basically proved to her that these two were jealous of her and wanted to split us up. So finally, when situation happened, I didn't even entertain her with an answer. She never actually even asked me if I cheated and I never gave her an answer.

All I said was, "If you honestly think I cheated on you, I have nothing to say to you." She scoffed at this and said yea but they said you were at her house.. to which I replied, "And haven't we seen that they've lied to you multiple times to get a rise out of you?"

Basically the relationship ended there as I never made an effort to call her back and I ignored her calls after that night.

It was sort of the straw that broke the camels back anyway, as there were other factors that were leading to us breaking up at some point anyway. I ended up telling her that if she thought I cheated on her, then we had no trust anyway and it'd be best if we just ended things. She told me "Fine, whatever you want to do" - which is the type of passive-aggressive nonsense I refuse to entertain. So we ended it.

Years later she tried to apologize to me because she found out that I never was over at that girls house through one of her other friends, and I just told her she needed to learn to choose better friends and that there were no hard feelings.

So yea, sometimes, giving no answer is the best route.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
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RE: What is worse, lying when you have to justify your action or not giving any answer?
(March 18, 2019 at 10:03 am)tackattack Wrote:
(March 18, 2019 at 7:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: To be fair, Christians are permitted to lie for the greater glory of God. Romans 3:7.

Boru

No that's not what that means in context at all Boru. You cited a specific question " But if by my lie God’s truth is amplified to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? " Which is followed by an answer "8 And why not say, just as some people slanderously claim we say, “Let us do what is evil so that good may come”? Their condemnation is deserved!" The general topic of the chapter is we're all sinners even if God uses our lies for His glory.

I don't see that it matters much.  I've known Christians to use that particular verse to justify the lie of some other Christian (generally a cleric).  People interpret the Bible however it suits them.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: What is worse, lying when you have to justify your action or not giving any answer?
People do tend to justify their belief however they can.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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