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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 10:31 am
(March 20, 2019 at 9:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (March 20, 2019 at 9:06 pm)Belaqua Wrote: It seems that I hold logical conclusions to be reasonable evidence for believing something, and you don't.
I think that many philosophers and theologians have and still are making sincere efforts to answer hard questions, and you think they are just avoiding questions.
I think we can leave it there.
You realize that the premises for these arguments need to be demonstrated sound before you can accept their conclusions as true, yes? Every single serious logical argument for the existence of god contains at least one disputed, contested premise.
Or fallacy. Perhaps a corollary to the 'lack of evidence' for God argument against accepting the existence of any deity as real we should add 'lack of arguments that stand up to scrutiny'.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 10:38 am
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I prefer the route of simply accepting the proclamations that others make. If empiricism, for example, is not the proper context for god knowledge..then this reduces god knowledge to intuition, some a priori whatsit. While that may sound like a good idea to someone who doesn't want to present empirical demonstration of a god.....it has the amusing tick of certifying any intuition or a priori knowledge that there is -no- god.
So, how do we resolve that disparity? Well, a person who rejects empiricism can't exactly appeal to empiricism to determine that they're better intuiters..now can they? Meanwhile, an empiricist needs only hold out their arms and say "...well..your intuition is telling you something that just doesn't appear anywhere, huh?"
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 11:21 am
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@ Belaqua
Actually, when you get around to finally answering my question to you in bold, I have a follow-up question for you: why haven’t you been persuaded into belief by the results gathered using this mystery alternative method that you are staunchly defending, but so far have failed adequately describe?
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 11:29 am
Haven't you heard?
There's no god, and we don't believe in one either.
And our disbelief means nothing.
You see, we don't get it ourselves.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 11:39 am
I dare you to make less sense.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 11:43 am
(March 21, 2019 at 11:29 am)Catharsis Wrote: Haven't you heard?
There's no god, and we don't believe in one either.
And our disbelief means nothing.
You see, we don't get it ourselves.
Could you make it any more obvious that you’re trolling? You’re not even fun.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 12:09 pm
(March 21, 2019 at 8:35 am)Belaqua Wrote: 1) things change, and
2) change is caused by something.
An atom of a radiactive isotope decays into two atoms of a lesser element. It has definitely changed
Is it caused by something?
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 1:53 pm
(March 18, 2019 at 9:57 am)Catharsis Wrote: (March 18, 2019 at 9:55 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: 'I don't know' is not only a perfectly valid answer, it's the only honest one (not that someone can't have an opinion on the available hypotheses). Agnostico made a whole thread about the argument from ignorance.
Logic and sound reason would suggest a creator though.
Just not in any way you can demonstrate, I suspect. But give it your best.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 2:21 pm
(March 21, 2019 at 11:29 am)Catharsis Wrote: Haven't you heard?
There's no god, and we don't believe in one either.
And our disbelief means nothing.
You see, we don't get it ourselves.
Why do you believe that there is "one" god? Why not 10? Or, a million? Infinitude?
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
March 21, 2019 at 2:23 pm
(March 21, 2019 at 11:39 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I dare you to make less sense.
Only little Rik could do that.
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