Game of Thrones final season [spoilers]

[Sal]

I'm sure all this and more will be sorted out in the three (yes, THREE) GOT follow-ups in the works.

Boru

I wouldn't mind seeing what Arya will endure in her little trek to the WestWest.

[Aegon]

Why'd they make a deal with the Unsullied if they're fucking off to another continent anyway? "Yeah sure man, whatever you say, we'll send Jon to the Wall... alright Jon come back, they're 1,000 miles away and would have no way of knowing what you're doing!"

Also there's no fucking way Sansa could casually claim independence without Dorne  or anyone else asking for it too.

1 . Why wouldn't they ?

2. Why couldn't she ? And who says anyone else wants to leave?

1. Why wouldn't who what? The Unsullied can go wherever they want, but I'm saying it's sort of funny that they made a deal with people who were leaving. Jon can just come back! It's not like anyone else was upset Jon murdered the Mad Queen.

2. Uh, did you forget all the things that happened with the other great Houses? The Iron Islands already revolted against the King and claimed independence less than 10 years prior to the show in the Greyjoy Rebellion. Not to mention the gals down in Dorne murdered their own prince in order to rebel against the crown... I mean, do you really not see why what happened doesn't make sense? It's so plainly obvious to me... that the other Houses should have at the very least said, "Hey, how come she gets independence and we don't?" Especially once you consider that the entire continent is now under control of House Stark. If I were another lord, I'd be upset.

[Amarok]

1 . Why wouldn't they ?

2. Why couldn't she ? And who says anyone else wants to leave?

1.  Why wouldn't who what? The Unsullied can go wherever they want, but I'm saying it's sort of funny that they made a deal with people who were leaving. Jon can just come back! It's not like anyone else was upset Jon murdered the Mad Queen.

2. Uh, did you forget all the things that happened with the other great Houses? The Iron Islands already revolted against the King and claimed independence less than 10 years prior to the show in the Greyjoy Rebellion. Not to mention the gals down in Dorne murdered their own prince in order to rebel against the crown... I mean, do you really not see why what happened doesn't make sense? It's so plainly obvious to me... that the other Houses should have at the very least said, "Hey, how come she gets independence and we don't?" Especially once you consider that the entire continent is now under control of House Stark. If I were another lord, I'd be upset.

1. Yup and there is no reason any of those rebellions need carry over to the current group. Because none of the motivations for those rebellions matter anymore .The Grey Joy rebelled because Yara's dad had delusions of glory and they got there asses kicked and Yara shows no interests in doing the same . The Dornish were just pissed at the Lanninsters now their house is all but destroyed . I also point out that Dorne and the Grey Joys were totally willing to accept Dani's rule and thus accepted that crown .While Sansa never made any such pledge .

2. As for your argument about the unsullied your assuming they were already planning on leaving and weren't going to kill John .And need I point out Dani's weren't to happy about John killing Dany .

[arewethereyet]

The Jon ending was a let down. I have no idea why they compromised that. Also, his arrest and Grey Worm finding out about Dany, etc. was the most rushed thing in the history of ever. I really would have liked to see that, but instead we got a slow walk up the stairs to Dany, scenes of people getting dressed . . . whatever. Also, no speech from Bran to address the savaged people of King's Landing? No hint of their opinion or even existence?

Sam pitched the best possible ending and got laughed at. Sad day.

As soon as Jon got fed up with Dany...a couple episodes ago...I had a hunch he was going north of the wall.  He was sent to the wall...he just kept going.  I am good with that.  He seemed to be more comfortable with the free folk anyway.

[Amarok]

The Jon ending was a let down. I have no idea why they compromised that. Also, his arrest and Grey Worm finding out about Dany, etc. was the most rushed thing in the history of ever. I really would have liked to see that, but instead we got a slow walk up the stairs to Dany, scenes of people getting dressed . . . whatever. Also, no speech from Bran to address the savaged people of King's Landing? No hint of their opinion or even existence?

Sam pitched the best possible ending and got laughed at. Sad day.

As soon as Jon got fed up with Dany...a couple episodes ago...I had a hunch he was going north of the wall.  He was sent to the wall...he just kept going.  I am good with that.  He seemed to be more comfortable with the free folk anyway.

And he reunites with ghost

[Amarok]

The Jon ending was a let down. I have no idea why they compromised that. Also, his arrest and Grey Worm finding out about Dany, etc. was the most rushed thing in the history of ever. I really would have liked to see that, but instead we got a slow walk up the stairs to Dany, scenes of people getting dressed . . . whatever. Also, no speech from Bran to address the savaged people of King's Landing? No hint of their opinion or even existence?

Sam pitched the best possible ending and got laughed at. Sad day.

As soon as Jon got fed up with Dany...a couple episodes ago...I had a hunch he was going north of the wall.  He was sent to the wall...he just kept going.  I am good with that.  He seemed to be more comfortable with the free folk anyway.

Need I mention Bronn finally got his castle

[Clueless Morgan]

Quick thoughts as I have a meeting in 15 minutes:

The Targaryen banner and the Dothraki/Unsullied in the plaza : hello Nazi reference.

Jon stabbing Dany, underwhelming. Is that why he was resurrected? Because he wasn't resurrected to kill the Night King: he didn't. Stabbing Dany wasn't a job that only Jon could have done; there was certainly only a small pool of people would could have had access to her, but it wasn't required to be Jon so the whole resurrection thing, as far as I'm concerned, was a loose-end-let-down. (If it had to do with the Azor Ahai prophecy I'm not buying it because it almost didn't play a role in the show at all for all the attention it got.)

Thought for sure that Drogon would blast Jon with dragon fire and Jon would survive. Instead, he melts the throne. Big whoop.

Unimpressed that Drogon scoops Dany up and flies away.

Tyrion was obviously going to be Hand, or in some way assist in ruling.

Bran as king? Not buying it. If Tyrion's case is that stories stick with people and Bran has a good story, then Jon has THE BEST story! Born the legitimate son of the ruling family to the eldest son putting him the line of succession, raised as a bastard not knowing his true identity, volunteers for the Night's Watch where he becomes Lord Commander at a young age because of his selflessness and courage, defends Westeros from the Wildlings and then bridges the divide with the wildlings to save their lives, literally dies at the hands of his own men, devotes all of his efforts to saving the living from the dead, puts his life on the line numerous times, never seeks recognition or power, is elected King of the North, gathers the armies of Westeros to defend against the Night King.... Jon should be king. Fuck the Unsullied, they fucked off to Naarth, they don't get a say.

Also, the Grey Worm Naarth ending is the cheesiest thing.

And how in the hell did Sam become Grand Maester? I get that he was named GM and it was Bran's perogative, but becoming a Maester was Sam's ambition and we literally saw none of it. What about the vow that Maesters will be celibate? Um... Gilly is preggers and there was no hint that Sam was going to leave her by the way side. So much more of that needed wrapping up.

Ah... so many more thoughts but I have to call into my meeting...

More to follow eventually.

Yawn...

It's over... What now?

Third season of GLOW

Why'd they make a deal with the Unsullied if they're fucking off to another continent anyway? "Yeah sure man, whatever you say, we'll send Jon to the Wall... alright Jon come back, they're 1,000 miles away and would have no way of knowing what you're doing!"

No kidding. Stoooopid.

Also there's no fucking way Sansa could casually claim independence without Dorne  or anyone else asking for it too.

Right?

Yara's ambitions of being queen after her father just melted away. None of the other great families thought of ruling on their own. None of the families serving as the wardens of the West, East or South thought of breaking away from the crown either which does not sound like the character of Westeros at all...

The Jon ending was a let down. I have no idea why they compromised that. Also, his arrest and Grey Worm finding out about Dany, etc. was the most rushed thing in the history of ever. I really would have liked to see that, but instead we got a slow walk up the stairs to Dany, scenes of people getting dressed . . . whatever. Also, no speech from Bran to address the savaged people of King's Landing? No hint of their opinion or even existence?

Yeah, that was super weird.

Sam pitched the best possible ending and got laughed at. Sad day.

From a governmental evolution view, going from a pure monarchy straight to full on democracy is a huge pill for Westeros to swallow. I thought they would compromise with a sort of representative republic type thing, maybe a parliamentary system, then go to a full on democracy.

If there is no sentient life whatsoever west of Westeros... I think Arya will have a bad time!

Yeah, I thought of that while I was writing it, but maybe there is at least good game and plants. She could go back for Gendry and repopulate the new land of WestWesteros as its queen.

Her brother and sister will rule in Westeros and Arya will rule The Resteros.

[downbeatplumb]

I do wonder what Arya will find westwards, though we'll probably never find out, though if that ends up in the books we could maybe get some books on it..?

My colleagues opinion -
She'll either fall off the edge of the world, or circumnavigate the globe to end right back up in westeros (from the east).

Nah, she'd land on Essos.

[Clueless Morgan]

Okay, Bran as king.

I already opined about how Jon has at least as good, if not a better, story than Bran's as to why he should be king - the better case being he actually did stuff to defend Westeros from the Night King rather than uselessly worging ravens and flying around aimlessly.

So if this whole time he's been the 3-eyed raven and he could see the future, he knew the whole time that the living would defeat the Night King? Why didn't he just tell them that? He knew the whole time that Dany wouldn't be long for the throne? Why not tell her that? He knew he would be named king? Well, I totally understand why he didn't tell people that.

But still, think about how epic it would have been for Dany to receive a prophecy from Bran in a similar way that Cersei received one from that swamp witch lady.  Then it would have thrown even more conflict into the story: Would Dany turn on Jon assuming that he would kill her? Would she be killed or captured in some other way? Would she and Jon end up ruling together and die in childbirth (wrapping up that little nugget that was uselessly thrown out there last season)? Would Bran telling people about their future mean that their futures would be inevitable or only inevitable insofar as they continue on their current paths? Imagine Dany being told that the people of King's Landing weren't her enemies, that Cersei is defeated, that she will come to the throne but will die on that throne only a short time later. If Dany knew before hand that the people of King's Landing weren't in league with Cersei it would make her torching the city even more awful and reactionary and an act committed out of revenge. It would mean that she knows that she will die if she takes the throne but proves what Sam was saying to Jon: She wouldn't make the same choice Jon did and give up her power to save the people of Westeros, she makes the decision to grab the throne because it's hers by rights. She's a victim of her own ambitions and believing her own propaganda.

And the whole Small Council thing.  : sigh:

I don't have a problem with Sam as Grand Maester, I have a problem with not showing how it happened.

Brienne as head of the King's Guard? Superficially I'm totally fine with it.  Think about it for 5 seconds and you wonder WTF? Why isn't she Sansa's Queen's guard? She took a vow to protect Catlyn Stark's daughters, she should have stayed with Sansa.  Unless, off screen, Sansa asked her to stay in King's Landing to protect Bran, in which case why didn't we get that scene? Having Brienne leave Sansa's side needed a scene to explain that proposition and decision. Also, Brienne's last major scene was closing out Jaime's story, not getting her own ending. Boo.  I love Brienne, and I don't wish that she had died in the Battle for Winterfell, but the end of her story was when she was knighted by Jaime and stood her ground against the Army of the Dead.  It would have been such a fitting end if she had seen Lyanna Mormont almost get taken out by the giant and went to defend her, then get killed herself, and then we get Lyanna's death. Brienne would have died doing her duty as a knight; Lyanna would have died being a badass.

And what in the world makes Bronn qualified to be Master of Coin? I thought Bran was supposed to be wise.  That was total, stupid fan-service. Davos makes perfect sense as Master of Ships, he's been a smuggler his whole life and has intimate knowledge of ships, shipping, seafarring, trade, harbors and that type of infrastructure - totally buy it.  But Bronn? No. I might buy him as Master of War since what he's known for is being a good swordsman and fighter.

There were so many character moments that should have been addressed on screen that just weren't! We spent 8 fucking seasons with these characters and what do we get? Them waltzing into the small council chambers in their new roles without a comment to how it happened? WTF.

Okay, that's all I have time for, again, I have more meetings... Damn meetings getting in the way of my rants!

[pocaracas]

Okay, Bran as king.

I already opined about how Jon has at least as good, if not a better, story than Bran's as to why he should be king - the better case being he actually did stuff to defend Westeros from the Night King rather than uselessly worging ravens and flying around aimlessly.

So if this whole time he's been the 3-eyed raven and he could see the future, he knew the whole time that the living would defeat the Night King? Why didn't he just tell them that? He knew the whole time that Dany wouldn't be long for the throne? Why not tell her that? He knew he would be named king? Well, I totally understand why he didn't tell people that.

Prescience is a terrible thing. Clearly, you are yet to read God Emperor of Dune.
Imagine knowing the future, the whole future and it being as real and set in stone as the past. You know everything that you will do and cannot escape it. You even know who you will tell, if anyone. You are doomed to play out your life as if it was already scripted.

And the whole Small Council thing.  : sigh:

I don't have a problem with Sam as Grand Maester, I have a problem with not showing how it happened.

I have a problem with how he never even became a Maester and suddenly he's Grand Maester and lord of house Tarly... That was silly, but oh well... it's a tv show.

Brienne as head of the King's Guard? Superficially I'm totally fine with it.  Think about it for 5 seconds and you wonder WTF? Why isn't she Sansa's Queen's guard? She took a vow to protect Catlyn Stark's daughters, she should have stayed with Sansa.  Unless, off screen, Sansa asked her to stay in King's Landing to protect Bran, in which case why didn't we get that scene?  Having Brienne leave Sansa's side needed a scene to explain that proposition and decision. Also, Brienne's last major scene was closing out Jaime's story, not getting her own ending. Boo.  I love Brienne, and I don't wish that she had died in the Battle for Winterfell, but the end of her story was when she was knighted by Jaime and stood her ground against the Army of the Dead.  It would have been such a fitting end if she had seen Lyanna Mormont almost get taken out by the giant and went to defend her, then get killed herself, and then we get Lyanna's death. Brienne would have died doing her duty as a knight; Lyanna would have died being a badass.

You have a vivid imagination... I name you designer of fan fiction! Go forth and produce some nice comic book sketches of that alternate ending for Brienne.

And what in the world makes Bronn qualified to be Master of Coin? I thought Bran was supposed to be wise.  That was total, stupid fan-service.

That was just funny.
None of the characters could have been Master of Coin like Littlefinger was... oh, so that's why Bronn was talking about brothels... he's the successor!

I might buy him as Master of War since what he's known for is being a good swordsman and fighter.

I thought he just wanted his castle and be rid of worries for the rest of his life.
Highgarden was his castle, he had a wife, I think... was setup for life. Why have a castle and then spend his life as master of coin at King's Landing?

There were so many character moments that should have been addressed on screen that just weren't! We spent 8 fucking seasons with these characters and what do we get? Them waltzing into the small council chambers in their new roles without a comment to how it happened? WTF.

It's ok for those moments to be left to the viewer to fill in.
Allegedly, they also rebuilt the red keep, so I'm assuming it took quite some time until that reunion... but it makes no sense for the kingdom to be without the small council for all that time.