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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 10:30 am
1) A blowjob is known to cause effects exhibiting information rich and specified complexity.
2) The universe and life are effects that exhibit information rich in specified complexity.
3) Therefore, a blowjob is a possible cause for the universe and life.
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 10:30 am
The best refutation of intelligent design is to point out that the universe is not designed intelligently.
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 11:00 am
(May 6, 2019 at 7:58 am)tackattack Wrote: I think I would go with madog’s approach. Even agreeing that it’s one of the many possible explanations but applying occam’s razor Isn’t the simplest necessary likely solution and reiterate that evidentiary ball is in their court
Are you saying that "god of the gaps" is supported by occam’s razor?
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 11:11 am
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The whole ID argument is based on a flawed premise - that the universe was purpose built for us. The whole approach is backwards - we evolved to fit the conditions that happen to exist in this universe. Given the very real possibility that there are an infinitude of universes, we exist in this one because this is the one in which we can exist. Not only can we exist in this one, we can only exist in a very small sliver of it - most of the conditions in the universe are inimical to human life.
A very good analogy (I can't remember by whom) likens the whole thing to an infinitely large clothes shop. If you go in and find that only one of the coats fits you and only you perfectly, it would be absurd to think that the shop was built with you in mind.
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 11:20 am
If the universe was intelligently designed, why do we have the religious?
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 11:24 am
(May 6, 2019 at 11:00 am)wyzas Wrote: (May 6, 2019 at 7:58 am)tackattack Wrote: I think I would go with madog’s approach. Even agreeing that it’s one of the many possible explanations but applying occam’s razor Isn’t the simplest necessary likely solution and reiterate that evidentiary ball is in their court
Are you saying that "god of the gaps" is supported by occam’s razor?
I'm saying that the simplest solution, of a kind, is a parsimonious place to start any arguement.
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RE: Help refuting an Intelligent design argument
May 6, 2019 at 12:19 pm
(May 6, 2019 at 11:24 am)tackattack Wrote: (May 6, 2019 at 11:00 am)wyzas Wrote: Are you saying that "god of the gaps" is supported by occam’s razor?
I'm saying that the simplest solution, of a kind, is a parsimonious place to start any arguement.
Certainly simple, not a solution.
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