Christian utopia?

[Smaug]

One word: theocracy. And it sucks.

Also remember the Middle Ages when Roman Catholic Church was basically above royal powers. Vatican drowned in luxury while Europe was constantly ravaged by hunger. Power corrupts and there's hardly anything worse in this respect than power backed up by appeals to divinity. On the other hand, protestants were hardly any better in the beginning. Both Calvin and Luther were fanatics. Calvin tried to create an utopia in Geneve and practially turned the city into a concentration camp crippled by fear. And it's not only Christianity, of course. No wonder people fought for secularism throughout the ages.

[The Valkyrie]

Likely a free nation where women have no rights, people of other or no religions are persecuted if not wiped out, human progress is slowed, if not reversed, and where a handful of old men nake the rules as told to them by "god".

[CDF47]

People will always be corrupt.  It is in the very nature of being human.  There is no perfect man ruled utopia.  A free state with a constituion of guaranteed rights is the best we can hope for.

[Smaug]

Likely a free nation where women have no rights, people of other or no religions are persecuted if not wiped out, human progress is slowed, if not reversed, and where a handful of old men nake the rules as told to them by "god".                      

God is love *
*except when you are a dirty infidel, an unbeliever, a witch, a sorcerer, crossed paths with the church, he's just in a mood to drown the entire world, other conditions may apply.

[CDF47]

Likely a free nation where women have no rights, people of other or no religions are persecuted if not wiped out, human progress is slowed, if not reversed, and where a handful of old men nake the rules as told to them by "god".                      

God is love *
*except when you are a dirty infidel, an unbeliever, a witch, a sorcerer, crossed paths with the church, he's just in a mood to drown the entire world, other conditions may apply.

God is loving but He also has a wrath.  That is why the Scriptures indicate that wisdom is the fear of the Lord.

[Smaug]

People will always be corrupt.  It is in the very nature of being human.  There is no perfect man ruled utopia.  A free state with a constituion of guaranteed rights is the best we can hope for.

That's why secularism came to be. Religious laws are too dodgy to settle down civil disputes in a reasonable way. It was well-know from the pre-Christian times. It all began with the rich wanting to secure their wealth and position from the Priests but gradually secularization became more widespread.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think it would be a free nation with a republican form of government and a constitution of guaranteed rights. 

Jewish nations were ruled by kings and prophet kings.  When the Lord returns He will rule His kingdom.

'There was a time when all the churches ruled all the world.  We call it, "The Dark Ages" .' - Ingersoll

Boru

[CDF47]

People will always be corrupt.  It is in the very nature of being human.  There is no perfect man ruled utopia.  A free state with a constituion of guaranteed rights is the best we can hope for.

That's why secularism came to be. Religious laws are too dodgy to settle down civil disputes in a reasonable way. It was well-know from the pre-Christian times. It all began with the rich wanting to secure their wealth and position from the Priests but gradually secularization became more widespread.

Yeah, it is interesting how things come about.

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I think it would be a free nation with a republican form of government and a constitution of guaranteed rights. 

Jewish nations were ruled by kings and prophet kings.  When the Lord returns He will rule His kingdom.

'There was a time when all the churches ruled all the world.  We call it, "The Dark Ages" .' - Ingersoll

Boru

I agree, having any church rule is not good.  We will be back to the dark ages quickly if that were to ever happen again.

[Drich]

Christians every day complain that society is getting too secular and more distant from being Christian, but let's say Christians get it their way that society gets more "Christian" or let's say today some people decide to make some peace of land to be governed by Christians for Christians to make it as most Christian as they can and therefore form their laws on Christian beliefs to, I guess, please God.

What would it look like? What would be allowed and what would be forbidden? Can anyone make a clear picture?

And perhaps some of you would be tempted to say "it would be like in medieval times" but world did change a lot since then, human knowledge did grow as did technology, but if you think it would all go in an instant to middle ages then be it.

Here are some of my guesses based on what seem to be Christian desires and obsessions:

Abortion would be forbidden.
Contraception would be forbidden.
Only religious songs would be allowed.
LGBTQ people would be executed.
Divorce would be forbidden.
Dancing would be strictly supervised.
Creationism would be taught in schools.
There wouldn't be democracy but rather religious leaders would govern chosen by holy ghost.
There would be cameras everywhere and people in charge who would monitor if someone is masturbating.

Uh... no.

Abortion would be deregulated nation wide. meaning it is not mandated for every state to allow abortions. it would mean each state got to choose which state wanted to do abortions and which states did not have to do them, just like it was before roe v wade.

All we want is the right for like minded people to come together as a community and set rules to govern our selves. the less the government is involved the better.

2) you are thinking of catholicism not christianity. in the bible there is no prohibition meaning it is not for procreation only thus allowing for contraception. catholics believe sex is only for reproductive purposes only

3) again what church have you been too? now you sound like a southern baptist.

4) divorce is allowed in christianity and in the bible. if a spouce in unfaithful to her or his vows then a biblical divorce is allowed.

4) creationism would be taught along side evolution, as the two can be taught in such a way as to not conflict.

5) their would be a democracy again just think back to our greatest generation/the WWII generation. while not perfect both the "dims and republicans where represented in the congress and white house alike.

6) no that what the dims want.. cameras everywhere/control of the people. With in a christian government we believe what you do is between you and God.

How can you be so wrong about christian values if you hate them so much? could it be you have no real idea of what you hate and mock? Could it be you completely rely on stereotype and a blind racist type of anger based on ignorance and vitriol.

Think 1940 to 1960 pop culture and social interactions, now allow progression of society in race and gender equality. but maintain the family and personal dignity and have people grow up seeking to serve God country family THEN neighbor and Finally self.

Self and what makes you feel good is the only guideline now.

[Smaug]

In my view faith has to be a fundamentally personal thing with no involvement of crowd mentality. No real need for Church as an institution. For mental trauma there are psychotherapists and psychiatrists. For charity there are special organizations. But as long as cults exist they must not have any exclusive rights such as tax cuts etc. And they must be strictly divided form the State.