Christian utopia?

[vulcanlogician]

[CDF47]

[Drich]

you are thinking of catholicism not christianity.

Yeah, blame it on me for not picking "right" Christianity.

divorce is allowed in christianity and in the bible

Tell it to Mormons and Catholics.

How can you be so wrong about christian values if you hate them so much? could it be you have no real idea of what you hate and mock? Could it be you completely rely on stereotype and a blind racist type of anger based on ignorance and vitriol.

Yes I hate Christianity because, according to you, I chose Catholicism as a model for Christian state and, again according to you, that is not a real Christianity, so it rather seems that it is you who hates Christianity.

And yeah I'm the problem and not the fact that adherents of all versions of Christianity claim they are doing what God wants and reject all others as genuine Christians.

So this is what it actually means when Christians say that society is becoming more secular and further from Christian values: they blame secularists for their own inability to decide what real Christianity really is.

This is exactly what I mean when I said you have no clue what christianity is. you see 30 opposing sects where someone has to pick one expression of the religion.. this may work in every other religion on the planet but not here.  which is in part why you fail to understand that Christianity is not just one denomination. the bible points out the each denomination is like a different part of the body where Jesus Christ is the head. each part of the body is different because each part has a different function. The church is the body of believers who put Christ at the center of our religion. the whole church including catholicism, however catholicism is not the body unto itself, it too is just a part. Which is why I point out orginally how wrong you are about the most basic grasp of the christian religion.

You are so ignorant of the basic fundamentals of a religion you hate so much you are oblivious to the fact that if you modeled a christ societal rule around one denominational belief you are alienating the rest of society. The founding father's knew this (something you also seem oblivious to/The this country was a model of christian society from the beginning) and again something that was model almost picturesquely in the greatest generation running of the united states. in your statement you ignored everything I had to historically say as to how thscountry was run as a christian soceity and how in those times defined us as a great nation.. how petty and ignorant of you to assume one set of rues governing one potion of the body of believers would be able to allow the complete functionality of the body..

For example the range of motion in how a hand bends and naturally flexs would destroy a spin the light/information processed by the eye is useless to the ear and so on. in turn why would there only be rules in the church the benefits members who where like eyes to the body but have no or even the opposite affect to other parts of the fellowship? Again look how the founding father arranged the country and allowed each state to make it's one decisisions and how they kept the federal government completely away from religion but incorperated their religious beliefs into the government.

[Mister Agenda]

I think a decade of the America Right Wing Evangelicals/Dominionists seem to want will be difficult, and for many people, cruel, but would lead to a backlash that will end politicized religious partisanship as a powerful force in this country. So it will wind up being not worth it for all concerned.

[Drich]

I think a decade of the America Right Wing Evangelicals/Dominionists seem to want will be difficult, and for many people, cruel, but would lead to a backlash that will end politicized religious partisanship as a powerful force in this country. So it will wind up being not worth it for all concerned.

unlike clinton who vowed to remove the 1st amendment and force modern 'tolerances on the church and demand it accept the changes the country has under gone.. LGBT, women's roles, abortion, contraception, laws governing the discipline of our kids, ect.. or be subject to hate crime laws.

No that would not cause a civil war.. No wonder she wants our guns too...

[Mister Agenda]

Let's have that quote from Clinton on removing the First Amendment, Drich, and source it. My guess is that you're interpreting her words your own way as hard as you do the words of the Bible.

[brewer]

"Christian utopia" feels like an oxymoron. 

They can't even come close to creating this within their own sects/churches.

[Drich]

"Christian utopia" feels like an oxymoron. 

They can't even come close to creating this within their own sects/churches.

Hey smart guy it's call the history of america... look it up.

That is what a christian utopia looked like (US history up until the 1960s) then the "me" generation shat it up from that point on.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Let's have that quote from Clinton on removing the First Amendment, Drich, and source it. My guess is that you're interpreting her words your own way as hard as you do the words of the Bible.

Yeah, I'd kind of like to read that quote as well.

Boru

[Smaug]

"Christian utopia" feels like an oxymoron. 

They can't even come close to creating this within their own sects/churches.

Hey smart guy it's call the history of america... look it up.

That is what a christian utopia looked like (US history up until the 1960s) then the "me" generation shat it up from that point on.

But what exactly was so utopian about pre-1960's United States? People loosing their jobs & starving during Great Depression, maybe? Or the Civil War in the 1860's?