[split] What is next for the United States? [GUNS]

[Foxaèr]

Oh fun. Now it’s a gun thread

Other than the typical theistic response that overturning the legalization of abortion is true freedom for 'Murica, the only other typical response is the atheistic one of 'Murica is fast losing sight of social progression.

[CDF47]

Hitler took the guns away from dissidents and those that opposed him before slaying the Jews.  Taking guns away does lead to oppression.  That is the main reason for the gun rights is to squash an oppressive government.

Hitler Spitler.

Your logic is ill through and through, but I was not expecting any different from a gun fondler who does not comprehend the real history and meaning of the second amendment.

The second amendment was not initially created as a means of the people bearing arms, but it became constitutionally altered due to the sick minds of gun fondlers.

Read the words of the founding fathers.  It was meant for the people to be armed.

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Oh fun. Now it’s a gun thread

Crazy how that happens.  It happened to my DNA thread.  Sometimes there are other things to discuss.  A separate thread should be created though, I agree.  I did a quick search for one and didn't find any.

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Oh fun. Now it’s a gun thread

Other than the typical theistic response that overturning the legalization of abortion is true freedom for 'Murica, the only other typical response is the atheistic one of 'Murica is fast losing sight of social progression.

Oh, how our views on spiritual matters ingrains our politics.

[Foxaèr]

Oh, how our views on spiritual matters ingrains our politics.

When it should not.

For one who claims to uphold the constitution for being armed with a gun, you conveniently ignore it in relation to separation of church and state.

[CDF47]

Oh, how our views on spiritual matters ingrains our politics.

When it should not.

For one who claims to uphold the constitution for being armed with a gun, you conveniently ignore it in relation to separation of church and state.

No, I don't.  I believe church and state should be separate.  Give on to Caesar that which is Caesar's.  Give on to God that which is God's.  I believe in separation of church and state as much as many people.  I do think options for creation should be in schools along with evolution on theories of origins.  The genetic code should be discussed regarding creation.  That is a minimum I think should be done in schools.

[Fake Messiah]

Hitler took the guns away from dissidents and those that opposed him before slaying the Jews. 

With this statement you're again proving you're full of shit. I mean why the fuck are you mentioning Hitler? Even if this was true what exactly are you trying to say? Perhaps that you don't want politics of dictators? Because you know what Hitler actually banned? Abortions. Yes Hitler Banned abortions. So you should be for abortions because Hitler banned it as well as another dictator called Nicolae Ceaușescu in his country and it ruined him and Romania, as did abortion ban when it was illegal in US. Banning abortion brings major consequences that a dumb uneducated hypocrite like you is not even aware of

[vulcanlogician]

Oh fun. Now it’s a gun thread

I think things have taken on a life of their own and there in naught you can do about it.

Thread gone, Losty, thread gone.

[CDF47]

Hitler took the guns away from dissidents and those that opposed him before slaying the Jews. 

With this statement you're again proving you're full of shit. I mean why the fuck are you mentioning Hitler? Even if this was true what exactly are you trying to say? Perhaps that you don't want politics of dictators? Because you know what Hitler actually banned? Abortions. Yes Hitler Banned abortions. So you should be for abortions because Hitler banned it as well as another dictator called Nicolae Ceaușescu in his country and it ruined him and Romania, as did abortion ban when it was illegal in US. Banning abortion brings major consequences that a dumb uneducated hypocrite like you is not even aware of

Interesting.  Yes, the dictator took the guns.  Who would have thunk?

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Oh fun. Now it’s a gun thread

I think things have taken on a life of their own and there in naught you can do about it.

Thread gone, Losty, thread gone.

LOL.  We need a gun thread.  I just don't want to make one.  Look what happened to the DNA thread.  LOL.

[Draconic Aiur]

The Constitutional right to bear arms is an admendment, which means it could can be changed. Why this is? Well the fouding fathers aka TJ thought be great for a small nation not a giant one like ours. You can read all about TJ and the founding fathers way of thinking and history.

Abortion isn't the same as killing babies which you don't see because their not grown enough to be called anything but fetus or lower. It is not held in the constitution because people at time were mostly Fundie christians with a old world (not modern) view and they thought abortion was the devil. This is because of ignorance, religious zealotry, and often sexist views on women. Now modernly we have knowledge and the compassion and or logic, but the views become political thanks to the manipulative politicians who use peoples emotion to control them and what better way to control them, than to invite religion in and the sacredness of birth. However it isn't just political its the world that sadly is a patriarchy that many of us arent willing to make. Women are seen as a reproductive machine, eye candy, weaklings, and whores to many men and even women! It all started with a human notion that restricts women to obedient servants of men just as the bible, quran or other holy texts explain. But thist is no supernatural thought it's human and like every thing humans have made it exists as a standard unwritten law in all peoples minds. It is unjust but it's hard to teach billions like how it's hard to teach a dog new tricks: its programmed and maybe just maybe in our DNA!!! Just how messed up is that?

[CDF47]

The Constitutional right to bear arms is an admendment, which means it could can be changed. Why this is? Well the fouding fathers aka TJ thought be great for a small nation not a giant one like ours. You can read all about TJ and the founding fathers way of thinking and history.

Abortion isn't the same as killing babies which you don't see because their not grown enough to be called anything but fetus or lower. It is not held in the constitution because people at time were mostly Fundie christians with a old world (not modern) view and they thought abortion was the devil. This is because of ignorance, religious zealotry, and often sexist views on women. Now modernly we have knowledge and the compassion and or logic, but the views become political thanks to the manipulative politicians who use peoples emotion to control them and what better way to control them, than to invite religion in and the sacredness of birth. However it isn't just political its the world that sadly is a patriarchy that many of us arent willing to make. Women are seen as a reproductive machine, eye candy, weaklings, and whores to many men and even women! It all started with a human notion that restricts women to obedient servants of men just as the bible, quran or other holy texts explain. But thist is no supernatural thought it's human and like every thing humans have made it exists as a standard unwritten law in all peoples minds. It is unjust but it's hard to teach billions like how it's hard to teach a dog new tricks: its programmed and maybe just maybe in our DNA!!! Just how messed up is that?

It's part of the Bill of Rights.  No it cannot be amended.  Probably not without a war inside the country.  Ever hear of the Oath Keepers.  It is basically an active militia type group inside the military, law enforcement, and fire departments.  They will keep their oath to defend the Constitution.  There are many others out there that would not go for this inside the US.  Just saying. I already read what the founders had to say about this.  It is to stop tyranny, contend against potential invading armies, and to defend against thugs that will have the weapons anyway.

Abortion is evil.

[Foxaèr]

It's part of the Bill of Rights.  No it cannot be amended. 

It most certainly can be amended, especially considering the historical fact that the second amendment did not mean for the people to bear arms until it was amended by the Supreme Court to mean what current gun fondlers interpret it to mean.