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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 5, 2011 at 2:13 am
(February 4, 2011 at 9:43 pm)Ashendant Wrote: If mubarak is truly fed up with power and will leave on september, they are being unreasonable, because if mubarak leave now the will be seized by a organized extremist minority called muslim brotherhood and i don't want that
Imagine I've been ruling over you and your family for decades. Treating you, and them in a way you see as completely unfair, unwanted and undemocratic. Now one day you and your family rise up and tell me you don't want me to carry on and you want me to go. If I said "I will stop in 6 months...I promise. Now go back to normal and let me carry on until then." Would you buy that shit and just give me more time to make sure you possibly have no way to tell me to leave again? Or would you keep going until I was finally gone and you had gotten what you wanted. I know sure as fuck which option I'd choose.
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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 5, 2011 at 8:13 am
(This post was last modified: February 5, 2011 at 8:14 am by Ashendant.)
Actually BBC news, the transition for a democracy cannot happen too fast or we will have another Iran.
Yes he can refuse to quit, when that happens he will be proven as a liar, and there you can go all the way.
I read about one of the problems in Egypt and it's the law enforcement using torture to get criminals, it's pretty ghastly too.
But what from i read the lot of educated people in Egypt think that letting Mubarak stay for 6 months is not a problem, i was admired as the one asking the questions to that Egyptian, when he told him that.
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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 6, 2011 at 9:36 am
What do you mean the transition cannot happen too fast? When Iran threw out the Shah they ended up with a progressive democracy with the interests of the people of Iran at heart. It was after America interfered and reinstated the unpopular Shah that the Islamic revolution occured. So unless America decieds to organise a coup against any democratic government that Egypt gets, this will end up nothing like Iran.
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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 6, 2011 at 9:50 am
(February 6, 2011 at 9:36 am)Ubermensch Wrote: What do you mean the transition cannot happen too fast? When Iran threw out the Shah they ended up with a progressive democracy with the interests of the people of Iran at heart. It was after America interfered and reinstated the unpopular Shah that the Islamic revolution occured. So unless America decieds to organise a coup against any democratic government that Egypt gets, this will end up nothing like Iran.
Meh i don't know the specifics but it seems, it's heading to Mubarak leaving in September so Meh
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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm
(February 6, 2011 at 9:50 am)Ashendant Wrote: Meh i don't know the specifics but it seems, it's heading to Mubarak leaving in September so Meh
When a "President's" people tell him to leave, he has no excuse to wait.
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February 6, 2011 at 3:08 pm
(February 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm)Shell B Wrote: (February 6, 2011 at 9:50 am)Ashendant Wrote: Meh i don't know the specifics but it seems, it's heading to Mubarak leaving in September so Meh
When a "President's" people tell him to leave, he has no excuse to wait.
The excuse is anarchy and civil war
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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 6, 2011 at 7:18 pm
(February 6, 2011 at 3:08 pm)Ashendant Wrote: The excuse is anarchy and civil war
Um, that is happening right now, with him in office. Again, there is no excuse. A president is an elected official. If he stays when he is no longer wanted, he is a dictator.
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February 6, 2011 at 7:48 pm
(February 6, 2011 at 7:18 pm)Shell B Wrote: (February 6, 2011 at 3:08 pm)Ashendant Wrote: The excuse is anarchy and civil war
Um, that is happening right now, with him in office. Again, there is no excuse. A president is an elected official. If he stays when he is no longer wanted, he is a dictator.
It's slightly chaotic, but it's hardly civil war, except presidents are elected for terms, and not when the people decide they don't want him any more, is term is ending in December
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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 6, 2011 at 7:55 pm
(February 6, 2011 at 7:48 pm)Ashendant Wrote: It's slightly chaotic, but it's hardly civil war, except presidents are elected for terms, and not when the people decide they don't want him any more, is term is ending in December
Slightly is an understatement. What do you think happens before civil war breaks out? Do you think people all of a sudden put down there tea and go, "Let's war with one another!"? That's not how it happens. What is happening in Egypt is how it happens. The only way to stop it is to compromise.
Presidents are elected for terms, but they should leave when their people don't want them anymore. Again, not doing so makes him a dictator.
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RE: Egypt leaves the Internet
February 6, 2011 at 8:48 pm
(February 6, 2011 at 7:55 pm)Shell B Wrote: (February 6, 2011 at 7:48 pm)Ashendant Wrote: It's slightly chaotic, but it's hardly civil war, except presidents are elected for terms, and not when the people decide they don't want him any more, is term is ending in December
Slightly is an understatement. What do you think happens before civil war breaks out? Do you think people all of a sudden put down there tea and go, "Let's war with one another!"? That's not how it happens. What is happening in Egypt is how it happens. The only way to stop it is to compromise.
Presidents are elected for terms, but they should leave when their people don't want them anymore. Again, not doing so makes him a dictator. The military is neither shooting at citizens or each other, it's not a civil war it's a very big protest but not a civil war.
The compromise was that he would leave in September, after the constitution has been reformed, when the transition can move more peacefully
By that logic Obama is a dictator
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