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When and where did atheism first start ?
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 ![[Image: icon_quote.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.trackie.com%2Ftrack-and-field%2Fimg%2Flayout%2Ficon_quote.jpg) Vulcanlogician:As an interesting aside, this brings up the question if disbelief can predate the proposal that said thing exists. If it can, that would mean that you categorize nonbelief as a kind of "default." But doing this creates all kinds of problems. Ah dear vulcan, it would seem that you are logicianing too hard. I was simply stating that humans have to learn about gods and their respective happy places. It's like hate, it is a learned trait. It's not that humans have a "default" state of believing, or not believing, but a person doesn't have to learn about not believing in something the same way someone that believes does. I get what you are saying, I honestly do. You make a very sound counterpoint.  (June 23, 2019 at 12:31 pm)hindu Wrote: Hello Friends, Atheism started at a small, family owned butcher shop in Cromarty, Scotland in 1952. Boru
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(June 23, 2019 at 2:35 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: This question is, sadly, found in google autofill... well... "who started atheism"... a much worse, much more ignorant version of the question. I'm hoping it's mostly children who return from Sunday school with this sort of question. But I bet the sad truth is, it's asked by adults for the most part... adults with really skewed visions of the world. Actually, that only works if atheism is defined as 'disbelief' instead of 'nonbelief'. I cannot believe in theories that haven't been invented or plants that haven't been discovered - it isn't possible to believe or not believe in them. My position regarding these has to be one of nonbelief, as the word indicates a lack of belief. 'Disbelief', on the other hand, implies a refusal to believe or an outright rejection of some proposition. It isn't possible to reject a scientific theory that hasn't been formulated. Boru
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Atheism is the default state.
 (June 23, 2019 at 12:53 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Right after the first cave man claimed to believe in a god, and the first time the response to his claim was: "I dont" Actually, even before the first caveman claimed to believe in a god, no caveman believed in a god. Atheism is an original condition. Theism is a malignant later development.  (June 23, 2019 at 6:21 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Atheism is the default state. Yup. Not just a-theism but a-anythingism. The default position is to not believe in a thing until there is evidence that a thing exists. It's curious that nobody questions a-unicornists a-leperacaunists, a-gremlinists, etc. The roots of atheism started the first time someone made an extraordinary claim without providing the tiniest shred of evidence to back up that claim.
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Albert Einstein  (June 23, 2019 at 2:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:(June 23, 2019 at 1:47 pm)no one Wrote: Sunday October 32nd, 56743 BCE. ![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/LaBwmuLehYhPO/giphy.gif)
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
 (June 23, 2019 at 12:31 pm)hindu Wrote: Hello Friends, You were born an atheist. The pope was born an atheist. Everyone was born an atheist. It started when you were born. It took years of dedicated indoctrination from you parents to batter the stupid ideas into you. But then child minds are so easily manipulated, aren't they? RE: When and where did atheism first start ?
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(June 23, 2019 at 2:35 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: As an interesting aside, this brings up the question if disbelief can predate the proposal that said thing exists. If it can, that would mean that you categorize nonbelief as a kind of "default." But doing this creates all kinds of problems.Maybe it just means that we don’t believe in things we have no idea about. A person who doesn’t believe in gods because they’ve never heard about them is an atheist. Unless every single human being simultaneously began believing in gods independently of each other, and then forevermore every human knew about them...there was a moment in prehistory where at least one default atheist existed. The conditions required to make a default atheism “problematic” stretch any pretense of credibility. As does the notion that historic atheism, as old as the written word and contemporaneous at least, with god stories cropped up as we see it in that instant and was filled with opinions wholly contained by the author.
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