So what happened?

[Drich]

because they do not drill deep enough.

Right, it has nothing to do with the limited heat capacity of the rocks the water might come into contact with, so the rocks cool and lose ability to generate more steam after water has been circulating through them;  nor the limited thermal conductivity of the rocks, so once the rock is cooled, it takes awfully long time for new thermal energy to conduct in and heat the rocks back up again; nor the fact that porosity and water permeability of rocks decrease with depth, so at certain depth water can no longer be forced through rocks regardless of pressure.


It's because they didn't drill deep enough.


Do you bottle your farts and smell them throughout the day for inspiration?

why your analisis fails:
you assume the hole size is limited to the size hole drilled in russia and you assume like with russia the water being used is pre chilled. (which again flashed at 7.5 miles/IE they could not make the hole cooler with chilled water even after months of pumping, because by the time it got to the drill it was vapor.)

Even so if we used a water mix or a coolant like sodium glycol the coolant mixture under pressure, would flash at a much higher temp. this would reduce the energy taken from the geothermal mass. all of these things together mitigate heat loss. All one need do is calculate the thermal conductivity of the rock at 7.5 miles down below them in their part of the world and do a simple k-factor equation to determine heat loss in this process using a coolant designed to retain heat verse just water and calculate out how big the hole or a reservoir need be at the bottom of the hole to have continuous power supply. Then simply never exceed the extraction of heat beyond what the earth can replenish.. If more power is needed then don't turn the generator up, drill another hole!

Thermal conductivity (k-factor) is the measure of a material's ability to transfer heat. Materials that transfer heat readily have high k-factors, like steel (228 Btu-in/hr-ft2-°F @ 75°F mean temperature), and are classified as conductors.

[/url]calculation of k-factor and r-value - K-Flex USA


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[Anomalocaris]

Hello!

Ah. I see some one mentioned the geo-thermal power system.

They're using that in.. Iceland (I think?) and New Zealnd.

people are learning alot about how to do the tech well.

Like, one of the problems is keeping the water IN the system. It's actually hard to cross connect the two 'bore' holes. SO when you pump water down one... Not all the 'water' comes back up.

I think the folks in Iceland have a good-er-er way of resolving this issue.... don't have any links atm.

I've heard.. possibly in New Zealand? That one of the other down-sides is kind of making a 'Mud volcano'.

Basically you allow higher temperature material to rise up closer to the surface. It mixes with ground water and spoul and 'BLURT" steaming hot mud errupts out of the round.

So.. it's kind of a viable way to parasitically suck the heat out of the planet.... but there are still tech hurdles to over come.

Plus... you can only really do it in places where the crust is kind'a 'THin' or 'Faulty' to begin with.

The idea would be rather a non-starter in a place like Australia. The continent sits pretty much smack in the middle of its 'Plate'.

Cheers!

Not at work.

Indeed, the largest geothermal facility in the world is actually the Geyser geothermal plant in California, about 100km north of San Francisco.   It is associated with both recent volcanism and is at a place where the crust is extensively faulted.   It was largely developed since the 1960s.   But by the year 2000 the field has shown increasing signs of depletion.   

However, there  can be areas of great geothermal potential in the middle of a plate, see Yellowstone.   Basically wherever there are recent intra-plate volcanos (say last half million years), there can be geothermal potential.   In some locations geothermal potential seem to linger for over a million years after the most recent major eruption of a large intra-plate volcano, see Valles Caldera in New Mexico.   There are thousands of intra-plate volcanos that erupted in the last quarter million years, and most of those are not even associated with hot spots like Yellowstone.

[Drich]

Am i wrong or did this idiot just really claim he has found a perpetual motion machine, and it is geothermal activity fueled by decay of radioactive material below the surface of this planet?

I found a energy source to run a machine indefinitely/1000 years past the point any sentient being presence on the planet to point out it did not indeed run forever.

Or to rephrase:

Who will be around to prove that I am wrong?

By the time you can not drill a hole deep enough for this to work, everything n the surface will be long dead.

(Earth magnetic field is also fuel by the core and with out it all life stops... the magnetic field will drop almost instantaneously if the reactor at the core stops, while it would take what 20 million years according to kelvin for the earth to cool down (remembering his calculation did not include or compensate for the core being radio active, and once that stops nothing mathematically can say he was wrong.) all life would have been obliterated by the solar bombardment.

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Am i wrong or did this idiot just really claim he has found a perpetual motion machine, and it is geothermal activity fueled by decay of radioactive material below the surface of this planet?

I don't think he actually knew about the decay of the radioactive material bit.

If he thinks he knew why inside of the earth is hot, tell him radioactive decay supplies only part of the heat that is being generated inside the earth, and ask him where the rest is coming from.


In any case, neither major sources of heat generation inside the earth is perpetual.  Both will gradually wind down over geological time.

and i do not think you understand the definition of perpetual motion machine.. even after I posted it.

wear and tear would consume the machine before the radiation of the core would stop producing enough heat to cause a fuel failure.

Meaning core fails with in 10 years all life ends, yet the machine will continue on till the bearing fails, or a pipe develops a leak or a rubber oring cracks and fails or 1000 other wear and tear things happens... which again is included in the defination.

Meaning the definition of perpetual motion machine makes allowances for wear and tear. which again will hapen long long before the machine runs out of fuel/heat.

[Anomalocaris]

Am i wrong or did this idiot just really claim he has found a perpetual motion machine, and it is geothermal activity fueled by decay of radioactive material below the surface of this planet?

I found a energy source to run a machine indefinitely/1000 years past the point any sentient being presence on the planet to point out it did not indeed run forever.

Or to rephrase:

Who will be around to prove that I am wrong?

By the time you can not drill a hole deep enough for this to work, everything n the surface will be long dead.

(Earth magnetic field is also fuel by the core and with out it all life stops... the magnetic field will drop almost instantaneously if the reactor at the core stops, while it would take what 20 million years according to kelvin for the earth to cool down (remembering his calculation did not include or compensate for the core being radio active, and once that stops nothing mathematically can say he was wrong.) all life would have been obliterated by the solar bombardment.

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I don't think he actually knew about the decay of the radioactive material bit.

If he thinks he knew why inside of the earth is hot, tell him radioactive decay supplies only part of the heat that is being generated inside the earth, and ask him where the rest is coming from.


In any case, neither major sources of heat generation inside the earth is perpetual.  Both will gradually wind down over geological time.

and i do not think you understand the definition of perpetual motion machine.. even after I posted it.

wear and tear would consume the machine before the radiation of the core would stop producing enough heat to cause a fuel failure.

Meaning core fails with in 10 years all life ends, yet the machine will continue on till the bearing fails, or a pipe develops a leak or a rubber oring cracks and fails or 1000 other wear and tear things happens... which again is included in the defination.

Meaning the definition of perpetual motion machine makes allowances for wear and tear. which again will hapen long long before the machine runs out of fuel/heat.

[Drich]

Hello!

Ah. I see some one mentioned the geo-thermal power system.

They're using that in.. Iceland (I think?) and New Zealnd.

people are learning alot about how to do the tech well.

Like, one of the problems is keeping the water IN the system. It's actually hard to cross connect the two 'bore' holes. SO when you pump water down one... Not all the 'water' comes back up.

I think the folks in Iceland have a good-er-er way of resolving this issue.... don't have any links atm.

I've heard.. possibly in New Zealand? That one of the other down-sides is kind of making a 'Mud volcano'.

Basically you allow higher temperature material to rise up closer to the surface. It mixes with ground water and spoul and 'BLURT" steaming hot mud errupts out of the round.

So.. it's kind of a viable way to parasitically suck the heat out of the planet.... but there are still tech hurdles to over come.

Plus... you can only really do it in places where the crust is kind'a 'THin' or 'Faulty' to begin with.

The idea would be rather a non-starter in a place like Australia. The continent sits pretty much smack in the middle of its 'Plate'.

Cheers!

Not at work.

the problem they are experiencing is where pockets of heat come closer to the surface. what the people in russia tried to do is drill a hole to the center of the earth (right in the middle of the continental plate) they found at 7.5 miles down they could no longer cool their drill bits because the water turn to vapor intantiousiouly. 

on the simple explanation surface all one need do in drill a idk 12 inch hole 7.5 (let's say 12 inches is the butter zone of heat extrapolation to loss.. and rather than pump raw water down this pipe you plant a heat exchanger at the bottom and this will eliminate all of the problems you listed about boring two holes or pushing up mud. the idea is to keep everything self contained so there is no expenditure of water as a quasi fuel or media to transfer heat. and this will further allow the use of purposely designed coolants that can hold more heat and lubricate internal machine parts seals and pumps.

[Anomalocaris]

Hello!

Ah. I see some one mentioned the geo-thermal power system.

They're using that in.. Iceland (I think?) and New Zealnd.

people are learning alot about how to do the tech well.

Like, one of the problems is keeping the water IN the system. It's actually hard to cross connect the two 'bore' holes. SO when you pump water down one... Not all the 'water' comes back up.

I think the folks in Iceland have a good-er-er way of resolving this issue.... don't have any links atm.

I've heard.. possibly in New Zealand? That one of the other down-sides is kind of making a 'Mud volcano'.

Basically you allow higher temperature material to rise up closer to the surface. It mixes with ground water and spoul and 'BLURT" steaming hot mud errupts out of the round.

So.. it's kind of a viable way to parasitically suck the heat out of the planet.... but there are still tech hurdles to over come.

Plus... you can only really do it in places where the crust is kind'a 'THin' or 'Faulty' to begin with.

The idea would be rather a non-starter in a place like Australia. The continent sits pretty much smack in the middle of its 'Plate'.

Cheers!

Not at work.

the problem they are experiencing is where pockets of heat come closer to the surface. what the people in russia tried to do is drill a hole to the center of the earth (right in the middle of the continental plate) they found at 7.5 miles down they could no longer cool their drill bits because the water turn to vapor intantiousiouly. 

on the simple explanation surface all one need do in drill a idk 12 inch hole 7.5 (let's say 12 inches is the butter zone of heat extrapolation to loss.. and rather than pump raw water down this pipe you plant a heat exchanger at the bottom and this will eliminate all of the problems you listed about boring two holes or pushing up mud. the idea is to keep everything self contained so there is no expenditure of water as a quasi fuel or media to transfer heat. and this will further allow the use of purposely designed coolants that can hold more heat and lubricate internal machine parts seals and pumps.

The highlighted sentence alone is enough to make one bow before the awesome erudition.

[I_am_not_mafia]

This is hilarious. If anyone else came up with this kind of stuff everyone would be accusing them of being a POE.

And as people point out why he is wrong he digs himself a deeper hole (see what I did there?). Let's see if we can get that hole a bit deeper shall we ..

per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

1. a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
   "the planet is in perpetual motion"
   
   • the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
     "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
     
     

do you see the second definition? 

This is me in a 2 min window providing you and the rest of the world with a machine that would technically run forever.

Some questions for you Drich (because I know you enjoy the Socratic method to really test your ideas ):


1. What provides the heat in your system?
2. Will the Earth's internal heat decrease over time? Or will it be there forever?
3. Do you agree that if the rock surrounding the drill hole is heating the water, then some heat is transferred from the rock to the water?
4. What happens to the heat transferred to the water?
5. If you agree with 3, then how quickly will the rock surrounding the drill hole take to heat up again and where does this heat come from?

[Drich]

Listening comprehension failure on your part with Musk's video, drich. It may be possible one day with enough electrodes, but they only have (potentially) 1000 or so atm.  You just keep playing pigeon chess. It must be good for your "soul".

moving the goal posts... 

Can't win an argument?
let say you opponent simply said the brain transmits and receives signals, and then points to billionaire who spends 100 million of his own money on this very idea...

So what can you say? you and all of your buddies are out of your depth and the billionaire's investment is proving your opponent right! 

So what can you do?!?! Fear not! you can always move the goal post.. you know he was talking about the brain's ability to send and receive information just like the billionaire says, but you can just ever so slightly change the subject to talk about what the billionaire and your opponent made no claims in doing! That way you in your mind can be right! then when ever you opponet says something else you can recall winning the last conversation despite the details! 

Is that cheating you bet! Is that dishonest? as the day is long! is that what stupid rat bastards do to save face? That is what is going on here isn't it? So why is this ok?

Because you and other closed minded people will always be in the majority! the earth is Flat! till it isn't! and you can rest assured you can claim the earth is flat till someone smarter than you has the majority tell you it isn't! Why? because that is how education and science works! it is what ever the mob says or you can always call the opponent to mob rule, uneducated or a biggot or whatever name you can get away with. Why becaue he does not think like the pack does and that can make you look foolish or out of date.

Can't have that other wise he could be right about more important things like God, Heaven, hell or my place in it all!!! no much easier to do the rat bastard thing and pretend he is at fault!

[downbeatplumb]

[quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1921158' dateline='1563897507']

So what you are saying here is that to prove something to people you sometimes require tangible and verifiable evidence. Now can you apply this to god and you will discover that nothing you have presented meets any of those definitions.

So the angel who came and told me of my past present and future??? the one that changed my life and started a whole new direction/put me on the path of success I am on now, does not meet the evidence my life has produced and doesn't not point back to God?

That is correct. It points to you being delusional.

How do you figure? or are you just speaking in atheistic generalities that are true in a philosophical discussion but can not hold up to How God interacts with people in real life?

Lets put it like this. No angel has ever been proven to exist, in fact nothing supernatural has passed any tests that would make it to even a possibilty.
That you feel you an angel only means that you feel you met one, nothing more.

God does not interact with people in any verifiable way and is as far as can be discerned, fiction.

Happy to help.

[Drich]

Hello!

Ah. I see some one mentioned the geo-thermal power system.

They're using that in.. Iceland (I think?) and New Zealnd.

people are learning alot about how to do the tech well.

Like, one of the problems is keeping the water IN the system. It's actually hard to cross connect the two 'bore' holes. SO when you pump water down one... Not all the 'water' comes back up.

I think the folks in Iceland have a good-er-er way of resolving this issue.... don't have any links atm.

I've heard.. possibly in New Zealand? That one of the other down-sides is kind of making a 'Mud volcano'.

Basically you allow higher temperature material to rise up closer to the surface. It mixes with ground water and spoul and 'BLURT" steaming hot mud errupts out of the round.

So.. it's kind of a viable way to parasitically suck the heat out of the planet.... but there are still tech hurdles to over come.

Plus... you can only really do it in places where the crust is kind'a 'THin' or 'Faulty' to begin with.

The idea would be rather a non-starter in a place like Australia. The continent sits pretty much smack in the middle of its 'Plate'.

Cheers!

Not at work.

Indeed, the largest geothermal facility in the world is actually the Geyser geothermal plant in California, about 100km north of San Francisco.   It is associated with both recent volcanism and is at a place where the crust is extensively faulted.   It was largely developed since the 1960s.   But by the year 2000 the field has shown increasing signs of depletion.   

However, there  can be areas of great geothermal potential in the middle of a plate, see Yellowstone.   Basically wherever there are recent intra-plate volcanos (say last half million years), there can be geothermal potential.   In some locations geothermal potential seem to linger for over a million years after the most recent major eruption of a large intra-plate volcano, see Valles Caldera in New Mexico.   There are thousands of intra-plate volcanos that erupted in the last quarter million years, and most of those are not even associated with hot spots like Yellowstone.

what a lying pos you are..

heat is not the problem the depletion comes from a lack of water to create the steam. this whole time you anti argument is based on the fact the thermal conductivity of the stones can not be replenished making power production a problem because water can not be boiled.

Here clearly wiki shows an infusion of treated sewage water put production at all time highs!!!

By 1999 the steam to power extraction had begun to deplete the Geysers steam field and production began to drop.[2] However, since October 16, 1997, the Geysers steam field has been recharged by injection of treated sewage effluent, producing approximately 77 megawatts of capacity in 2004.[11] The effluent is piped up to 50 miles (80 km) from its source at the Lake County Sanitation waste water treatment plants and added to the Geysers steam field via geothermal injection.[11] In 2003, the City of Santa Rosa and Calpine Corporation partnered on constructing a 42-mile pipeline that became known at the Santa Rosa Geysers Recharge Project (SRGRP). Since 2003, SRGRP has delivered approximately 11 million gallons per day of tertiary treated wastewater to replenish The Geysers’ geothermal reservoir. In 2004, 85% of the effluent produced by four waste-water treatment plants serving 10 Lake County communities was diverted to the Geysers steam field.[11] Injecting treated water into the Geysers field increases the amount of power that can be generated.[11]

The injection of wastewater to the Geysers protects local waterways and Clear Lake by diverting effluent which used to be put into surface waters,[11] and has produced electricity without releasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geysers

did you see what I did there?

You made mention of an unknown to me so I immediately looked it up.

Understand I do this with EVERYTHING.

If I sound crazy or my claims are wild know I have at least 3 other solid sources backing me up, and then you guy come with your off the cuff cocktail dinner facts and try and challenge me.

Of course you are doomed to fail each and every time you have no hope in winning unless you do it dishonestly or try and whip up a mob of drich haters and even then how did the last one go?

60 pages of you people complaining to the site owners to get rid of me because I won't let you win.

Could you imagine how hopeless you would be if I did dot all my I and crossed all of my Ts grammatically?

Not to mention what I described is fundamentally different than the typical geothermal plant. I basically put a closed loop nuclear power plant over a man made geothermal vent. That's what makes my idea perpetual motion and the everyday geothermal plants dependant on sewage water.

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the problem they are experiencing is where pockets of heat come closer to the surface. what the people in russia tried to do is drill a hole to the center of the earth (right in the middle of the continental plate) they found at 7.5 miles down they could no longer cool their drill bits because the water turn to vapor intantiousiouly. 

on the simple explanation surface all one need do in drill a idk 12 inch hole 7.5 (let's say 12 inches is the butter zone of heat extrapolation to loss.. and rather than pump raw water down this pipe you plant a heat exchanger at the bottom and this will eliminate all of the problems you listed about boring two holes or pushing up mud. the idea is to keep everything self contained so there is no expenditure of water as a quasi fuel or media to transfer heat. and this will further allow the use of purposely designed coolants that can hold more heat and lubricate internal machine parts seals and pumps.

The highlighted sentence alone is enough to make one bow before the awesome erudition.

 If you guys did not always read everything I say with hate and vitriol behind my words you would quickly see all of the jokes and funny things i season my topics with.

I am one of the funniest people here that you don't know is funny. Can't read a humor with you butt clinched and teeth gritted hating someone..