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The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
#31
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 11:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 13, 2019 at 10:02 am)Nogba Wrote: your comment

The entropy of the universe is increasing and some day the universe will come to 0 degree
if that so it should happened in eternity behind us
that's what i meant
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#32
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 11:36 am)Nogba Wrote: The entropy of the universe is increasing and some day the universe will come to 0 degree
if that so it should happened in eternity behind us
that's what i meant

This is only true if the universe is a closed system, a question which is not yet settled.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#33
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 11:36 am)Nogba Wrote: The entropy of the universe is increasing and some day the universe will come to 0 degree
if that so it should happened in eternity behind us that's what i meant

Entropy increasing is not the same thing as energy decreasing. It just means that in a closed system, it will become more and more dispersed over time. If it goes on long enough, our universe will experience 'heat death', a state where all matter has been converted to energy and all energy is a cloud of photons getting farther and farther apart, forever. If our universe is past-infinite, you are right, this would already have happened. However, no astrophysicist claims that the universe has been in its current state infinitely into the past, you may have heard of the 'Big Bang'? Whatever preceded the Big Bang, it was very unlike our universe, and the Laws of Thermodynamics are laws of this universe, the one we find ourselves in.

It is a fallacy of composition to assume that the rules that apply within the universe apply TO the universe. Each brick in a wall may weigh one pound, but it is fallacious to conclude that therefore the wall weighs one pound. It can't violate the laws of thermodynamics for the universe to just 'start to exist' if the universe was also the beginning of the laws of thermodynamics. Also, as others have alluded, heat death is a very strange set of affairs that may not be stable (what's a universe without a Higgs field like?) and result in the generation of a new universe, and so on into infinity.

There's a lot we don't know, but it would be an argument from ignorance to assert that our lack of definite knowledge justifies concluding that the God hypothesis is correct. If I don't know why a vase fell off of a table, it doesn't make you claiming that a ghost did it any more likely, just because you have asserted an explanation and I haven't.

The sad thing is, this probably is the best 'logique evidence' any believer has.
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#34
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 12:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 13, 2019 at 11:36 am)Nogba Wrote: The entropy of the universe is increasing and some day the universe will come to 0 degree
if that so it should happened in eternity behind us
that's what i meant

This is only true if the universe is a closed system, a question which is not yet settled.

Boru

even if there is an other system, or a google of systems or what ever much systems you want, at the end your going to hit a closed one, unless you think
there is infinit numbers of theme which is impossible because the energy in the universe is not unlimited.
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#35
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
If a god made the universe (that is everything that exists) then where was he before he made it?
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#36
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 1:04 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If a god made the universe (that is everything that exists) then where was he before he made it?

if you mean by where a place then

before that, place means nothing.
he has nothing to do with place.

if you mean what was he doing
i don't know what was he doing, probably he didn't tell us in his books because of it's none of our bisness

i don't know what would you mean by where other than that.
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#37
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 1:26 pm)Nogba Wrote:
(July 13, 2019 at 1:04 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If a god made the universe (that is everything that exists) then where was he before he made it?

if you mean by where a place then

before that, place means nothing.
he has nothing to do with place.

if you mean what was he doing
i don't know what was he doing, brobably he didn't tell us in his books because of it's none of our bisness

i don't know what would tou mean by where other than that.

So god wasn't anywhere? Makes sense to me!
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

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#38
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 6:52 am)Nogba Wrote: every thing that existes must have a reason that made him come to existence right ?

Then what created god? If he is real, under your rules he must have a creator.

Don't be too disheartened by my easy disproof, it's older than Aquinas.
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#39
RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
Humans are very well seasoned when it comes to "..and therefore god."

Example:

Humans are arrogant, fearful, ignorant creatures, and therefore god.
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RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
(July 13, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Nogba Wrote: even if there is an other system, or a google of systems or what ever much systems you want, at the end your going to hit a closed one, unless you think

there is infinit numbers of theme which is impossible because the energy in the universe is not unlimited.

Baseless assertion. Please provide evidence
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