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[Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 5:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 1:46 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Quite interesting that Atlas likes to explain to us the supernatural (Allah) while he doesn't yet understand the natural ( homosexuality)!

If homosexuality is natural, then the mating would produce children.
I never saw a pregnant man.

If a man and a woman have sex (normal vaginal intercourse, no birth control) and the women doesn't get pregnant, was the sex unnatural?

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 5:30 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 11:55 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The anus, the theists nightmare. See how well the penis fits into a back passage, surely this is a sign that they were created for such a thing. In the male the Gspot is obtainable only via rear penetration so again.....

Say in the voice of Ray Comfort

And the road to the prostate is full of poop...

(July 27, 2019 at 5:29 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Define "natural".

I defined it in post 13:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59445-p...pid1921879

Too vague, and doesn't take into account all the possibilities that evolution has conditioned animals to do, such as participating in what may be described as homosexual acts. You could also say that another function of the penis/vagina is to help provide pleasure, thus homosexuality is natural.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 5:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 1:46 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Quite interesting that Atlas likes to explain to us the supernatural (Allah) while he doesn't yet understand the natural ( homosexuality)!

If homosexuality is natural, then the mating would produce children.
I never saw a pregnant man.

Homosexuality is natural because it naturally occurs.  This is the only criteria for whether it is natural. 

Whether you ever saw a pregnant man, no one cares.

(July 27, 2019 at 5:22 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 12:30 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I agree with you here. But (just for the sake of argument), let's assume you might be wrong. Let's delve into the issue 

I mean, what if homosexuality IS unnatural? So what?

If we are going to ask this question, first we must ask ourselves what the word "unnatural" even means... and how something that happens in the natural world--like gay sex--can qualify as "unnatural."

And even if gay sex IS unnatural... does that make it immoral? Is that, like, a rule? "All unnatural things are immoral?"

I guess the rule would go something like: "If something is "unnatural" (whatever the fuck that means) it is therefore immoral."

So does that mean virtual reality is immoral? What about Pokemon? Fuck, I mean, what about science fiction novels?

I'm confused.

Males evolved to mate with women and vice versa; we can mark that by the pregnancy the female goes through after a sexual encounter with a male: in other words that's the function their bodies are designed to do; thus it is the natural thing to happen.

For the example; the eyes' natural function is to "see"; not to "hear".
The nose's natural function is to smell; not to "see".
So as the penis: it's natural function is to mate with a female vagina to produce children.




Nothing is designed.   They fell into roles in their bearing population’s (not just their indiidual’s) survival through long and complex series of selections whose criteria is far too numerous, complicate, and often subtle, and most importantly, ever changing,  for the likes of you to imagine, much less comprehend.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
Quote:Males evolved to mate with women and vice versa; we can mark that by the pregnancy the female goes through after a sexual encounter with a male: in other words that's the function their bodies are designed to do; thus it is the natural thing to happen.

If the purpose of sex is to produce children, and sex is permissible only within the confines of an approved marriage, does Islam ban marriage between two people who are unable to conceive a child?

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 26, 2019 at 4:34 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: One of the biggest misconception about Islam is that it's anti-sex.

Yeah that is one of the biggest misconception about Islam (I mean Mohammed even had sex with his dead aunt), but the BIGGEST misconception about Islam is that it's shit, while it's actually bullshit.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
@AtlasS33

Any religion which routinely practices the mutilation of women's genitals is guilty of moral thuggery and cannot rightly call itself loving.  Dodgy
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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