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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 15, 2019 at 11:44 pm
(August 15, 2019 at 7:43 pm)Belaqua Wrote: (August 15, 2019 at 10:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Certainly I don't see "good" Christians criticizing "bad" Christians.
This sort of thing is pretty common:
https://www.christianpost.com/news/beth-...qCT2xeaxfw
Quote:Christian leaders are continuing to speak out about the evil of white nationalist ideology amid ongoing revelations about the motivations of the gunman who murdered 20 people at an El Paso shopping mall Saturday.
In a series of tweets Tuesday, popular Bible teacher Beth Moore did not mince words.
“Any ‘Christ’ that can be invoked in support of white nationalism is a false Christ of the highest, most hellish order. An anti-Christ. A wholly-opposite christ. No such christ is the Christ Jesus of Scripture who taught His followers a love that sacrifices life & limb for others,” Moore said.
It may be that, given your own prejudices, you are not very aware of what church-goers say to each other in church.
And what about YECs & LGBTQ haters - do "good" Christians ever talk against their beliefs?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm
(August 15, 2019 at 11:44 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: And what about YECs & LGBTQ haters - do "good" Christians ever talk against their beliefs?
No. Never. It's impossible. All Christians feel the same way about these issues and do not debate them. They are all evil.
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 16, 2019 at 7:30 am
(August 15, 2019 at 9:39 pm)Belaqua Wrote: (August 15, 2019 at 8:26 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The nicest ones are the ones who just go to prevent being ostracized by the fanatics.
You meant to type "some of the nicest ones" didn't you?
No.
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 16, 2019 at 8:27 am
(August 15, 2019 at 10:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really, sometimes even Christians on this forum scoff us for taking into account only the "bad" Christians. But who would be bad Christians and who good Christians?
Are bad Christians the young Earth creationists who want to abolish science in schools, as well as kill gay people, kill adulterers, kill children who disobey their parents; kill all muslims; who support Trump; are against vaccination?
And are good Christians those like Michael Moore and Stephen Colbert who want gay people to be able to get married, who love science and modern medicine, who don't like Trump?
Who is to say? Certainly I don't see "good" Christians criticizing "bad" Christians.
I'm not sure why you tied Christians with anti-vaxers? When there doesn't seem to be any real connection between the two. In fact the country with the highest percentage of antivaxers, France, is also one of the least religious.
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 16, 2019 at 4:12 pm
(August 16, 2019 at 8:27 am)Acrobat Wrote: (August 15, 2019 at 10:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really, sometimes even Christians on this forum scoff us for taking into account only the "bad" Christians. But who would be bad Christians and who good Christians?
Are bad Christians the young Earth creationists who want to abolish science in schools, as well as kill gay people, kill adulterers, kill children who disobey their parents; kill all muslims; who support Trump; are against vaccination?
And are good Christians those like Michael Moore and Stephen Colbert who want gay people to be able to get married, who love science and modern medicine, who don't like Trump?
Who is to say? Certainly I don't see "good" Christians criticizing "bad" Christians.
I'm not sure why you tied Christians with anti-vaxers? When there doesn't seem to be any real connection between the two. In fact the country with the highest percentage of antivaxers, France, is also one of the least religious.
Probably because old information is what forms most biases and from 1931 to 1952 Jehova's Wintesses banned their members from receiving vaccinations as well as some weird offshoot Abrahamic religions, English Quakers and Sweedish Baptists.
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 16, 2019 at 4:44 pm
According to the scriptures, all christians are sinners, as are all atheists and everyone else. Christians are made righteous by "putting on Christ", who is their righteousness. Everybody acts "bad" sometimes and "good" sometimes. If someone believes homosexual relations are sinful and doesn't mistreat or disrespect the rights of homosexuals, he is not acting badly.
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 16, 2019 at 6:00 pm
(August 16, 2019 at 4:44 pm)Lek Wrote: According to the scriptures, all christians are sinners, as are all atheists and everyone else. Christians are made righteous by "putting on Christ", who is their righteousness. Everybody acts "bad" sometimes and "good" sometimes. If someone believes homosexual relations are sinful and doesn't mistreat or disrespect the rights of homosexuals, he is not acting badly.
And if he's never given a guy oral sex he doesn't know for sure if he's gay or not.
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 16, 2019 at 10:49 pm
(August 16, 2019 at 8:27 am)Acrobat Wrote: I'm not sure why you tied Christians with anti-vaxers? When there doesn't seem to be any real connection between the two.
Yeah if only that was true
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 17, 2019 at 12:36 am
(August 15, 2019 at 11:44 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: LGBTQ haters - do "good" Christians ever talk against their beliefs?
Here's an article from the site Upworthy.com.
https://www.upworthy.com/another-methodi...t-policies
Note that the young Christians who spoke out in favor of LGBTQ rights didn't stop being Christians. They refused to join that denomination because they believed that Christianity demanded opposing its policies on gay people.
I was pleased to see that the group of Christians in that liberal hotbed of radicalism, Omaha, Nebraska, were given a standing ovation by the congregation for criticizing Methodism's official stance on LGBTQ people.
So this should answer your question.
I have two Facebook friends who are Christians and they post stuff like this almost every day.
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RE: "Good" & "Bad" Christians?
August 17, 2019 at 4:15 am
(August 17, 2019 at 12:36 am)Belaqua Wrote: So this should answer your question.
I have two Facebook friends who are Christians and they post stuff like this almost every day.
Ok, so you established that good Christians preach against hateful rhetoric that bad Christians have, but do you think it has any effect on bad Christians? Like for instance on Lek here, do you think we'll see him as a best man on some gay wedding any time soon or do you think it's more likely he'll continue preaching how gay people are sinners/ evil?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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