Enviromentalistic Politics

[BryanS]

[Divinity]

[GrandizerII]

Bryan, contrast your opinion, despite admitting you're not a climate scientist, with what climate scientists say. It's an urgent problem and you shouldn't be saying we're not heading towards a catastrophe.

It will take more than one specific solution to address the issues arising from climate change.

[BryanS]

[Divinity]

"Before it's too late"...what exactly do you mean by that? The IPCC says we have to start making significant changes in order to limit warming to 1.5 degrees. It's already too late to stop warming to that level, and yet the world does not end.  What if we take 20 years instead of 10? So we have a little more warming, perhaps a few more associated costs with climate change. You're own imploring that something has to be done "before it's too late" betrays your position that there will be impending doom if we fail to do as you say. 

Maybe you're just to fucking stuck on your point of view to see what you are doing. Thank you, and have a nice night. (and if you prefer not to exchange insults, I can debate without them, but you are the one who started out being a jerky ass-hat).

So you're basically just a climate change denier?  Good to know you're not worth debating.

[BryanS]

"Before it's too late"...what exactly do you mean by that? The IPCC says we have to start making significant changes in order to limit warming to 1.5 degrees. It's already too late to stop warming to that level, and yet the world does not end.  What if we take 20 years instead of 10? So we have a little more warming, perhaps a few more associated costs with climate change. You're own imploring that something has to be done "before it's too late" betrays your position that there will be impending doom if we fail to do as you say. 

Maybe you're just to fucking stuck on your point of view to see what you are doing. Thank you, and have a nice night. (and if you prefer not to exchange insults, I can debate without them, but you are the one who started out being a jerky ass-hat).

So you're basically just a climate change denier?  Good to know you're not worth debating.

Nope. You just resort to name calling whenever you find someone you disagree with--I don't deny climate change. So this much we agree on, it is unlikely we could debate anything productively.

[GrandizerII]

"Before it's too late"...what exactly do you mean by that? The IPCC says we have to start making significant changes in order to limit warming to 1.5 degrees. It's already too late to stop warming to that level, and yet the world does not end.  What if we take 20 years instead of 10? So we have a little more warming, perhaps a few more associated costs with climate change. You're own imploring that something has to be done "before it's too late" betrays your position that there will be impending doom if we fail to do as you say. 

Maybe you're just to fucking stuck on your point of view to see what you are doing. Thank you, and have a nice night. (and if you prefer not to exchange insults, I can debate without them, but you are the one who started out being a jerky ass-hat).

So you're basically just a climate change denier?  Good to know you're not worth debating.

It's the latest variant of climate change denialism, lol. Agree that it's real but still argue it's not urgent, and pretend that IPCC supports what they're saying.

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Net zero emissions should be done before 2050 not by 2050. 2050 is the upper limit after which it's going to be even more difficult to fix the issue. The earlier this is seriously addressed, the less difficult it gets. We can't afford to wait 10 or 20 more years before we start thinking about how to really reduce emissions ...

Bernie's plan is the right direction. It may not be perfect but either way we have to get radical about this starting now, not 10 years later ...

[onlinebiker]

Bernie's " plan" is a bad science fiction movie.


You might as well pray for a solution.

It totally ignores the realities of power consumption and power generation.

Let's make it real simple for you to understand.


Hoover dam - generates roughly 4 billion kilowatt hours a year.

US power consumption is roughly 4 TRILLION kilowatt hours a year.

See the problem?

Just wait till everybody has an electric car!


Sure George Jetson - that's going to happen.


Edit to add

4 trillion kilowatt solar = 17,500 sq miles of panels at $150,000,000 per square mile.

You writing the check?

[GrandizerII]

Bernie's " plan" is a bad science fiction movie.


You might as well pray for a solution.

It totally ignores the realities of power consumption and power generation.

Let's make it real simple for you to understand.


Hoover dam - generates roughly 4 billion kilowatt hours a year.

US power consumption is roughly 4 TRILLION kilowatt hours a year.

See the problem?

Just wait till everybody has an electric car!


Sure George Jetson - that's going to happen.


Edit to add

4 trillion kilowatt solar = 17,500 sq miles of panels at $150,000,000 per square mile.

You writing the check?

It's a good push for serious action at least. No matter what option you go for, there's costs involved. But we can't afford to keep waiting. It this inaction that's behind why there is already environmental damage that is irreversible. We can't keep doing this forever.

[onlinebiker]

It's a good push for serious action at least. No matter what option you go for, there's costs involved. But we can't afford to keep waiting. It this inaction that's behind why there is already environmental damage that is irreversible. We can't keep doing this forever.


You just are not listening.

You are trying to build a house with the materials contained in a box of matches. On a two dollar budget.

The politicians selling you these plans are counting on two things - you won't do the math - and like every religious story ever told - you WANT to believe.



Edit to add

Look at the cost of solar - and remember - it only works HALF OF THE TIME.

Consider there is 140 million taxpaying people in the US. - a nice convenient number - as it takes 150 million for every square mile of solar panels.

So we round it - and say every taxpayer pays 1 dollar per square mile. It is going to take $17,500 per taxpayer.  

For a system that works half the time.

Ok... We will double it - and pretend that the sun shines 24 hours a day - and the power grid comes for free. So you're looking at $35,000 per taxpayer- for a system that MIGHT last 10 years.



2017 median US income was $35,000 a year.

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And we're going yo get Medicare for everybody - right?