Attention Theists! Present your best argument for the existence of God!

[Dotard]

It's probably best to cease arguing with Dotard about this whole thing right now, as he's made it quite clear he's only looking to pick a fight about a hot button issue because he gets his jollies or something.

My views are different than yours so somehow that equates to I'm only looking to pick a fight about a hot button issue because I get jollies or something? Uh, no. I'm not looking to 'pick a fight', I'm challenging the contention that homosexuality is normal or natural. If you don't have an arguement not based on your emotions then please don't resort to ad hominem attacks. Fuck you very much.

[Ashendant]

Uh... heterosexuality is normal sexual behavior. You saying it is not?

To have children yes, but as you probably know most people don't have sex for children, and since pleasure or "sex" is caused by applying friction to the genital area, it doesn't matter what gender makes the friction, and your body never lies, you'll get a boner if a guy(or a gal i don't know your gender) does it.

And you can't make attractions that exclude other attractions, trying to apply such silly to sex is pure madness, sexuality is about Philias and Phobias, you are attracted to some, you are afraid of some, and your philias and phobias won't matter if friction is applied.

The only true sexual label is pansexuality with philias and phobias, nothing more nothing else

[Dotard]

So...in comparison...how exactly is homosexuality with another human being...abnormal?

What is normal sexual behavior? If 100 mice copulate with mice of the opposite sex and two attempt same sex copulation which would you say is the 'normal' behavior?

If 100 children go "Awwwwww!" when given homework assignments and two start screaming, throwing things and physically attack the teacher which would you say is the 'normal' behavior?

When grouping children together they tend to play with each other/fight with each other/compete for attention etc.etc. and one sits by himself rocking back and forth making hand motions (autistic-like) which would you say is 'normal' behavior?

When I point this out inevitably someone claims because some animals exhibit homosexual behaviors then homosexuality is 'natural' and therefore normal. It just doesn't follow if something is naturally occuring it is therefore normal.

Masterbation is a normal human behavior. 100 out of 100 people do it. Unless you are a eunic although I don't think they would count in this. I don't understand the relevance of your compairison.

[Ashendant]

So...in comparison...how exactly is homosexuality with another human being...abnormal?

What is normal sexual behavior? If 100 mice copulate with mice of the opposite sex and two attempt same sex copulation which would you say is the 'normal' behavior?

If 100 children go "Awwwwww!" when given homework assignments and two start screaming, throwing things and physically attack the teacher which would you say is the 'normal' behavior?

When grouping children together they tend to play with each other/fight with each other/compete for attention etc.etc. and one sits by himself rocking back and forth making hand motions (autistic-like) which would you say is 'normal' behavior?

When I point this out inevitably someone claims because some animals exhibit homosexual behaviors then homosexuality is 'natural' and therefore normal. It just doesn't follow if something is naturally occuring it is therefore normal.

Masterbation is a normal human behavior. 100 out of 100 people do it. Unless you are a eunic although I don't think they would count in this. I don't understand the relevance of your compairison.

Both are normal if you're not trying to copulate and just have sex for the pleasure.
Also animals don't give a shit, if another of the same gender would rub their genitals they would give them a funny face and then do it like he was already gay his whole time.

Reacting violently is a normal behaviour, it's probably not an acceptable behaviour

Autism is a disease, homosexuality and heterosexuality are also diseases.

Dictionaries rule

Normal:
conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.

Sex is just masturbation of two genitals by rubbing them together, this what happens when you de-machinize life, people start thinking that some stuff matters, when they simply don't, Sex is just friction and the brain get over it

[Edwardo Piet]

I would like to respond to that, DvF. 'Homophobia' is a word slung, by those who wish to convince others, and try to rationalize it to themselves, that their abnormal sexual behavior is 'normal', at anyone who disagrees with them.

I'm referring to the phobia of homosexuals or homosexuality. I don't see the relevance of how it's 'slung'. (Furthermore, I and others who are heterosexual use the word).

So I would like to ask, "Why is it a pity"?

Because since when is a phobia a good thing?

Yes homophobia would not be a good thing and would be a 'pity' if it were 'normal', but maintaining homosexuality is abnormal and challenging self-serving "this will make me fell better about my abnormality" posts such as DPs arguement from homosexuality does not a "homophobe" make.

Abnormal does not equate to bad.

As I said, since when is a phobia a good thing?

I'm not accusing you of homophobia I'm pondering whether you are homophobic.

[downbeatplumb]

Heterosexuality is the way to procreate. Nothing terribly 'normal' beyond that.

Otherwise I'm one strange bitch for lusting after Kate Beckinsale.

What is it with you and skinny girls?

[Skipper]

Nothing...I repeat NOTHING. 100% nothing can exist without a cause. Not the universe. Not earth. Not humans. O wait, except god...he can. And therefore god exists.

[thesummerqueen]

What is it with you and skinny girls?

I don't discriminate - and take care with my flippancy, dearest DBP.

[Edwardo Piet]

I insist that you look around and observe the way in which things work a little more. It's funny because you atheists like to talk about how the world works quite a lot and use that somehow as counter-evidence for why God can't or doesn't exist. Coincidence, science, materialism or what-have-you...but you don't seem to talk about the fact that it all works.

How is a deity required?

By that I mean that this world, this universe, works in an efficient and timely way as to be in complete working order.

There are also mistakes. There are many mutations that are horrific deformations and whatnot.

[...]all the conditions, the infintesimally small factors, were in place from the very beginning moment leading up to this one for a planet such as ours to spawn life.[...] then for that life to become us...the odds are literally beyond impossible.

What is your point?

So then it becomes a question of, 'to what end?'

What do you mean? Do you mean "Where is the universe going? What is it expanding into?" or something like that?

And so going beyond that, it becomes a question of whether or not the 'end' to which the universe leads is ingrained within it from the very beginning...as in, all moments leading up to the universe's 'end' were there from the 'beginning.'[...]Full circle.

Now are you talking about circular time? I'm not sure what you're talking about exactly.

[Jaysyn]

Not only that, all the conditions, the infintesimally small factors, were in place from the very beginning moment leading up to this one for a planet such as ours to spawn life. And then for that life to become us...the odds are literally beyond impossible. So then it becomes a question of, 'to what end?' And so going beyond that, it becomes a question of whether or not the 'end' to which the universe leads is ingrained within it from the very beginning...as in, all moments leading up to the universe's 'end' were there from the 'beginning.'

Ah yes, the good old anthropomorphic argument.

the odds are literally beyond impossible.

Nope, the odds are exactly 1.