Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are "not cinema"

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Agreed, the film was crap.  The book is a helluva good read, though.

Boru

Same premise, however.

Yes, but handled differently. This isn't the first time a good book has been made into a lousy film.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

'Kay. Not reading the book, so your opinion is the standing one. I'll recommend it to Boss Lady.

[EgoDeath]

I have seen Shutter Island. I may have seen Goodfellas and the Aviator they ring a vague bell. but I have not seen The Departed , Casino or the wolf of wall street. They didn't appeal.


But I have seen every Marvel film of recent years.

Captain America had more of an impact than whatever the character in Shutter Island was.

You don't seem to be much of a cinephile. Which is fine. If you're looking for base entertainment, I suppose The Avengers is cool. I don't think you could pay me to watch any of the movies though.

I didn't say that it was.  I'm trying to find out if you have any more criteria as to what constitutes art than your personal opinion.  It is just things you don't like, or have you thought about it any less superficially than that?

If I need to explain to you, in fine detail, the reasons why I don't consider something like The Avengers, or smeared shit, art, then I cannot even imagine how this would be a conversation worth having.

What does popularity have to do with art?

Boru

My point exactly.

[Little lunch]

It's my opinion that Scorsese films are better than Marvel.
But I can look at the ingredients and methods used to produce fine cuisine with admiration in comparison to a greasy hamburger, and still be hankering for that burger.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

First, movies should be fun. High art can have a play, but I don't go to the movies for high art.

[onlinebiker]

It's my opinion that Scorsese films are better than Marvel.
But I can look at the ingredients and methods used to produce fine cuisine with admiration in comparison to a greasy hamburger, and still be hankering for that burger.

The gods don't even want virgins for sacrifice ALL the time.

Sometimes a slut is just the thing...

[EgoDeath]

It's my opinion that Scorsese films are better than Marvel.
But I can look at the ingredients and methods used to produce fine cuisine with admiration in comparison to a greasy hamburger, and still be hankering for that burger.

I agree

In fact, sometimes a greasy, shitty diner burger is exactly what I'm hungry for, which I suppose is why those places exist.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I understand the ever-delectable Jennifer Aniston is now bagging on MCU.  I think I have a solution:

If you don't like comic book films,

1) Don't make them.

2) Don't watch them.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I understand the ever-delectable Jennifer Aniston is now bagging on MCU.  I think I have a solution:

If you don't like comic book films,

1) Don't make them.

2) Don't watch them.

Boru

Rather like people ragging on Westerns. Yeah, it was never like that. Yeah, the penny dreadful "created the mythical Old West". Still fun to watch if you like that kind of thing.

[Alan V]

In my case, I don't trust serious messages which are conveyed through the usual emotional impacts of movies.  I would rather assess them without that kind of  potential distortion.

However, if it's some story rather than information, movies are better.  But again, I consider stories as entertainments primarily.

How do you differentiate between the tactics authors use from the tactics directors use, outside of the obvious difference in medium?

And how does that affect the seriousness of the message?

Reading creates a kind of intellectual distance which is not easy to maintain watching a movie, with all of the in-your-face techniques a movie employs.

So movies are better for emotional impacts and books are better for details and intellectual content. To me that means whatever serious content a movie might have tends to be undermined by the methods employed to convey it.

I think all forms of art can be entertainment and still convey a serious message, if done correctly.

That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with The Avengers... but to call it art? I'd say that's a stretch.

These days, I am more inclined to define efforts as "art" in accordance with their methods rather than their content. Art is about applying attention to attract attention from others. That is done through a variety of methods, including the display of talent, spectacle, action, emotion, color, contrast, texture, story-telling, empathy, and so on. Whether something succeeds as art is measured by the attention it attracts, including long-term attention. That's why it's so hard to judge art in the present, but much easier from the past. Better quality art gets sorted out over time by what people continue to find interesting.