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We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 2:04 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7G...r_embedded
It's kind of depressing that we've known everything scientists have been telling us for 53 years now (since 1958) about Global Climate Change and we've done jack shit about it.
On the positive side, all the US states that contained the largest portion of americans who typically don't believe in climate change and vote against laws and the people to create them concerning climate change will all be flooded.
Y'all have fun with that. I just wish Texas and Arizona would be completely submerged too, but I suppose some people need to be left behind to make fun of for their failure.
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 3:17 am
Fascinating, I've only been concerned for about 30 years. 
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 4:40 am
Let's not confuse some people's hypothesis with a well validated and reviewed theory. Really credibly supported theory of climate change was a 1980s development.
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 4:57 am
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2011 at 4:57 am by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
(February 12, 2011 at 4:40 am)Chuck Wrote: Let's not confuse some people's hypothesis with a well validated and reviewed theory. Really credibly supported theory of climate change was a 1980s development.
Yup; 1980---2011= 31years
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 6:50 am
(February 12, 2011 at 4:40 am)Chuck Wrote: Let's not confuse some people's hypothesis with a well validated and reviewed theory. Really credibly supported theory of climate change was a 1980s development.
Granted ...31 years...but I am thnking the hypothesis was older than that and would accept 50+ years. A validated theory was not formulated until 1980's this is true
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 7:20 am
http://www.merchantsofdoubt.org/
Just started reading that - it sounds at first like it would be full of conspiracy tripe, but it's actually been pretty fascinating and I'm only in the second chapter. It might give a bit of insight.
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 8:20 am
Yup, we've known about climate change for years. Why haven't we done anything about it? Because there is no conclusive evidence that humans are causing it; all the evidence points to it being a completely natural occurrence.
Forget about political conspiracies as well; the scientific community have been arguing over this for years. Depending on who you ask, the Earth is either out of an Ice Age, or still in one. Depending on which, that means the temperature should be staying the same, or rising. Since it is rising, and ice core samples show this has happened before, I'm sticking with the theory that we're still in an Ice Age, and coming out of it.
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 9:37 am
I've remained skeptical of the whole issue for various reasons but also because we don't have enough evidence one way or the other to say all this isn't simply all one big *natural* cycle the planet and its parent star radiating onto it is going through. 'Climate change' is also a painfully obvious term, like the 'Beatles are a Rock Band', a young child can appreciate the climate is constantly changing. At the risk of sounding fallacious, we haven't been recording and making observations long enough yet. We still can't even predict next week's weather for crying out loud.
My biggest chief concern is that scientific consensus can be corrupted by political motives, namely how will the government tax the ever-loving-fuck out of us, or impose even more ridiculous legislation, than before.
Let's face it you get scientists and other supporters backing this shamefully and attacking their critics (what kind of valid-working theory cannot withstand moderate scrutiny? Not to mention Prince Charles, of all people, recently resorted to attacking skeptics this week) whenever and wherever there's government funding, if there were funding available to disprove or discredit the hypothesis in a so-called "anti-climate change" movement don't you think every academic and his dog would be eager to claim it?
For all our banging on the climate change bandwagon we can’t escape the fact, this planet started off without us, and it’ll die without us in a few more billion years even before the sun reaches red giant stage, which compared to the lifespan of the universe is 'trivial' to say the least.
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 11:02 am
JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND REALIZE THAT WE NEED RENEWABLE ENERGY! IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT IS CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE! NOT USING SHIT AS FUEL IS HEALTHIER OVER ALL AND LESS EXPENSIVE IN THE LONG RUN!
We need renewable energy(wind, solar) because it makes more sense. There is no need to be conservative about energy... it makes less sense.
I hope to one day become an alternative energy engineer and I hope I can one day change your views.
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RE: We've Known About Climate Change for 53 years now.
February 12, 2011 at 12:51 pm
I'm not against renewable energy; never said I was. What I object to is governments forcing us to be "green" when there isn't a shred of evidence suggesting that we are responsible for climate change. If governments or communities want to go green, it's fine by me, as long as it isn't forced on people as it is today.
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