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Books regarding atheism
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There are lots of murder mystery books out there that require you to think rationally and when the murder is solved they provide evidence that links a particular person to the murder.
This type of rational thinking and the desire for evidence will lead you to atheism.
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
The best books to read, to learn about atheism, are everyone else's magic books.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (November 18, 2019 at 6:11 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(November 18, 2019 at 5:34 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Total garbage. Dont bother reading that op. Its so obvious that you didnt need to say it. But ok. I can tell you the new avengers was garbage, and its very obviously still up to you to decide. Lol.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
 (November 19, 2019 at 2:01 am)EgoDeath Wrote:(November 18, 2019 at 6:11 pm)Grandizer Wrote: That's up to the OP. It's good to read from all sorts of sources to have a better perspective on atheism. You can't just always only read what you agree with from the start. I take it you've read the book then, and you're not just making a rash and very biased statement because you don't like the apparent theme of the book. RE: Books regarding atheism
November 19, 2019 at 3:39 am
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(November 19, 2019 at 2:55 am)Grandizer Wrote:(November 19, 2019 at 2:01 am)EgoDeath Wrote: Its so obvious that you didnt need to say it. But ok. I can tell you the new avengers was garbage, and its very obviously still up to you to decide. Lol. Its like if i watch the avengers and say, hey, grand, this movie was a big steaming pile of shit; dont waste your time. I mean, if you want to be a contrarian, or are just honestly THAT curious about the movie, you can surely go find out for yourself. But when you do, dont be surprised when you, too, find out its a hot pile of fecal matter. And maybe youll like it. And thats fine too. But not really the point But, yes, OP is free to decide for themselves. Im giving whats commonly called an opinion. Lol. Jeez.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
 RE: Books regarding atheism
November 19, 2019 at 4:37 am
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(November 18, 2019 at 9:51 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Sounds like another challenging book to read. Thanks for mentioning this book. When I'm done with the current one, I'm giving this one a read. It is a good one. I don't know if you've read anything by the author before... He was a student of Isaiah Berlin, and has written several books on the history of ideas. Like Berlin, one of his main themes is that any sort of utopian project is unreasonable and bound to fail. He has written on the inherent contradictions of capitalism and of liberalism as an ideology. His book on animals, and how humans pretend we are different from them, aims to persuade us that we aren't that special at all. So I guess one of the things he does most often is to knock idols off of pedestals. His atheism book does that, in a way, also. Because he is so knowledgable about the history of ideas, he is able to describe the systems of thought which, in different times, made possible the rejection of religion. In each case the atheism that resulted was -- of course -- embedded in its time and place, and imagined within the limits of what could be thought at that time. When I read Dominion by Tom Holland I was hoping for something more like Gray's book. Dominion is about 95% stories about history, and then various conclusions about how many of the values that we hold today only came about due to a history of Christianity. But I thought it was light on the intellectual, rather than the anecdotal, back-up for those conclusions. Gray writes less about events and more about intellectual developments, and helps to clarify the underlying assumptions of various atheist movements. Some atheists today apparently want to deny that their thinking is inevitably embedded in their own time and place and culture, and therefore contains various contingencies. Some people seem to have the fantasy that to be an atheist today is a sort of purist view without a viewpoint, and that therefore their lack of belief rests on no assumptions and requires no justifications. It would be hard to sustain this fantasy after reading Gray's book. Because there are several very different writers with the same name, maybe I should disambiguate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gray_(philosopher) There are some good YouTube lectures, too.  (November 19, 2019 at 4:37 am)Belacqua Wrote: Some atheists today apparently want to deny that their thinking is inevitably embedded in their own time and place and culture, and therefore contains various contingencies. Some people seem to have the fantasy that to be an atheist today is a sort of purist view without a viewpoint, and that therefore their lack of belief rests on no assumptions and requires no justifications. It would be hard to sustain this fantasy after reading Gray's book. Lol, what a dumb word salad.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: Books regarding atheism
November 19, 2019 at 8:40 am
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(November 19, 2019 at 8:31 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(November 19, 2019 at 4:37 am)Belacqua Wrote: Some atheists today apparently want to deny that their thinking is inevitably embedded in their own time and place and culture, and therefore contains various contingencies. Some people seem to have the fantasy that to be an atheist today is a sort of purist view without a viewpoint, and that therefore their lack of belief rests on no assumptions and requires no justifications. It would be hard to sustain this fantasy after reading Gray's book. Made sense to me. Last sentence can probably be challenged, of course.  (November 19, 2019 at 8:31 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(November 19, 2019 at 4:37 am)Belacqua Wrote: Some atheists today apparently want to deny that their thinking is inevitably embedded in their own time and place and culture, and therefore contains various contingencies. Some people seem to have the fantasy that to be an atheist today is a sort of purist view without a viewpoint, and that therefore their lack of belief rests on no assumptions and requires no justifications. It would be hard to sustain this fantasy after reading Gray's book. I don't see how, since it's qualified with the word 'some'. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
(November 19, 2019 at 8:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(November 19, 2019 at 8:31 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Lol, what a dumb word salad. Really? "purist view without a viewpoint" and "lack of belief rests on no assumptions and requires no justifications" I guess it's easy talking about some of those atheists.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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