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The code that is DNA
RE: The code that is DNA
@possibletarian Exactly.
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 6:14 pm)possibletarian Wrote: I don't get the 'something from nothing'

Why do theists assume there was ever a nothing, or that nothing is even possible ?

What always gets me is that something can’t come from nothing but their deity is conveniently exempt.
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 5:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Evolution acts on populations, not individuals.

Populations are composed of individuals, and individuals get modified by mutations. The more individuals a population produces, the higher the chances that a mutation enters the gene pool.
RE: The code that is DNA
Quote:Populations are composed of individuals, and individuals get modified by mutations. The more individuals a population produces, the higher the chances that a mutation enters the gene pool.
Still population genetics more then individual

(December 30, 2019 at 6:14 pm)possibletarian Wrote: I don't get the 'something from nothing'

Why do theists assume there was ever a nothing, or that nothing is even possible ?

And still they never back he assumption something cannot come from nothing
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RE: The code that is DNA
Are we still fishing for an objection to things that demonstrably happen..........

Why can we never cut to the chase in these threads?
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 10:07 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Are we still fishing for an objection to things that demonstrably happen..........

Why can we never cut to the chase in these threads?

Because the cutting comes after the chase.
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 6:15 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @possibletarian Exactly.

Well he's space-less, time-less, so i guess he must be nothing-less too Wink
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 3:21 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: So we're left with two options then : infinite regress or a necessary first cause. Disagree?

Disagree. False dichotomy.

(December 30, 2019 at 6:32 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 5:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Evolution acts on populations, not individuals.

Populations are composed of individuals, and individuals get modified by mutations.

I think that you're missing the point. Individuals do not evolve. At least not beyond getting cancer. Populations evolve.

Quote:The more individuals a population produces, the higher the chances that a mutation enters the gene pool.

That's wrong on several levels.
- Mutations are in the gene pool to start, even if only contained within a single individual. They might spread through the gene pool if selection pressures favour them.
- More individuals reduces the frequency of any single mutation, unless all the individuals coincidentally have the same mutation, which is damned unlikely.
RE: The code that is DNA
-I've always spoken of evolution in terms of population; my comments on offspring only make sense if that's the case. Is it even possible to talk about the number of offspring and not be talking about a population?

-If mutations were in the gene pool to start, then you're starting too late.

-Every individual is represented by the gene pool. As such, the emergence of any mutation in any individual constitutes an increase in its frequency in the gene pool, irrespective of population size. But I agree most novel mutations tend to drift out not long after appearing.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 1:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 1:42 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: From my experience the definition of a god is what ever helps the theists argument at the time and is prone to change at any moment.

Or are you going to give us a comprehensive definition!

Do it in bullet points please.

No pal, the mere possibility of a deity needing something jepordizes anything that makes it a deity, namely omnipotence.

A comprehensive definition of God would be the unique, eternal being with at least the two absolute properties of omnipotence and omniscience.

So god by your definition, god is aware of all the rapes of small children and is able to prevent all the rapes of small children but chooses not to.

I don't think that that a reasonable being would do that.


So god is not real.

(December 30, 2019 at 1:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: * If we omit the uniqueness property we no longer respect the parcimony principle, a deity with such properties is enough to explain the whole existence. And it's possible to logically rule out multiple deities with these properties.

A time travelling whale with magical powers is enough to explain all of existence. We need more than a story that kinda explains stuff if you squint.

(December 30, 2019 at 1:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: * Omiting that it's eternal only displaces the problem, what was before this deity existed? And we're back to actual infinite regress of which is, I would argue, logically impossible.

Where did your god exist before the universe?
what was it made of?
Where did it get the stuff for the this universe?
what made it make this universe when it did?

You know what would be simpler, some sort of natural phenomena.



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