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The code that is DNA
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 31, 2019 at 3:35 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The trouble, for the umpteenth time, Yukon..is that we have observed speciation in the lab and in the field.  Not just speciation, and not just once, but cladogenesis as well, multiple times.  You can even produce this effect at home without any complicated equipment.  

Unless it's wholly unimportant to you for the things you post to be true, this complaint is DOA.  You could still field the objection, in a more accurate form, ofc.  We have yet to observe human speciation, for example.  We've seen that we came from something else - but not that something has come from us.  Maybe the thing that we know can happen, that has happened, won't happen.  Who knows why.  The same factors are in play - but this could be the one instance in which the ball falls up.
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RE: The code that is DNA
Oh well, we all want alot of things. I want my wife's nipples to dispense whiskey. I want it hard - and yet..........

Point is, gods truth must be co-concurrently true with whatever else happens to be true. If god created a universe in which biological processes did the heavy lifting of species creation, so be it. More power to the gods, who knew more about biology than we were even capable of imaging for 99.9% of our species history. If god did it, then this stuff that creationists beat their own heads into a pulp arguing over, is how godidit. That's the way that this ends, that's the bottom line summary of everything we know and everything that we want to be true combined.

That's why these fruitcakes start threads about DNA instead of cantrips, to begin with. No one blew a mudman. That's just not how life was created, if life was created.
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RE: The code that is DNA
Be honest potato head, this infatuation you have with fruit flies is because, no matter how you try, your mental aptitudes can not rival theirs.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 29, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote:
(December 28, 2019 at 9:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Are you kidding me? For like...the fourth time now, @Yukon_Jack:

How did god design and create DNA? How many times are you going to avoid a direct question about your own damn argument?

How? Seriously you’re asking me how?

Well you are trying to posit an alternative to evolutionary theory. Evolutionary theory posits the hows and the whys (some are boths), so should you.

(December 29, 2019 at 3:39 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 29, 2019 at 3:21 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Nope, we simply said that DNA is too flawed to be designed and then you initiated Bible talk and Eden.

Designed doesn't necessarily imply perfect.

But "designed by a perfect being" mandates it. And all the abrahamics insist their version of yhwh is perfect.

(December 29, 2019 at 4:02 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 29, 2019 at 3:55 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Sungula In his wisdom knows it’s better not to say how after 30000 fruit fly generations there is 0 evidence of macro evolution

He stands by that

And speciation is a weak spot in the theory too. No amount of mutations seems to produce new species, and yet evolution must be true, you know Hmph .

Oh for fuck's sake you are a new breed of idiot. There are plenty of examples of speciation (for example the divergence of the Homo and Pan species from their common ancestor), the induced speciation of fruit flies in the lab by Lenski and so on. In fact, go and read, if you are able to get past the hard words such as "and" or "the".
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 31, 2019 at 4:56 pm)no one Wrote: Be honest potato head, this infatuation you have with fruit flies is because, no matter how you try, your mental aptitudes can not rival theirs.

Trite, but true. The simple fact is that fruit fly speciation has been demonstrated. In the lab. Speciation has also been demonstrated in the wild.

Yukon and John simply rely upon denying that reality happened. There is no fix for that. I don't know what to say after that.

Yukon and john are expecting the mythical crocoduck while ignoring that it is just as mythical as their deity of choice. Ironically, their deities are not the same, so maybe we should merely let them duke it out.

Then introduce them to our resident muslims. That might be a bucket of fun.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 31, 2019 at 3:35 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The trouble, for the umpteenth time, Yukon..is that we have observed speciation in the lab and in the field. Not just speciation, and not just once, but cladogenesis as well, multiple times. You can even produce this effect at home without any complicated equipment.

Unless it's wholly unimportant to you for the things you post to be true, this complaint is DOA. You could still field the objection, in a more accurate form, ofc. We have yet to observe human speciation, for example. We've seen that we came from something else - but not that something has come from us. Maybe the thing that we know can happen, that has happened, won't happen. Who knows why. The same factors are in play - but this could be the one instance in which the ball falls up.

Ultimately, this is what creationists like you, or like John, believe. It's not really the case that you don't believe in biology or facts. Now is it. There, cutting to the chase.
The greater point is that you haven’t observed or have the proof of one species turning into another completely different kind of creature.
One w new novel features or body plans, ever

(December 31, 2019 at 4:56 pm)no one Wrote: Be honest potato head, this infatuation you have with fruit flies is because, no matter how you try, your mental aptitudes can not rival theirs.
Wrong, it shows macro evolution ain’t happening
RE: The code that is DNA
Quote:The greater point is that you haven’t observed or have the proof of one species turning into another completely different kind of creature.

One w new novel features or body plans, ever
Keep repeating your ignorance .I doesn't refute Gae point .It only makes you look foolish


Quote:Wrong, it shows macro evolution ain’t happening
Nope it shows you have no idea what your talking about and that know one should take you seriously.Oh wait mainstream biology already doesn't.

(December 31, 2019 at 3:35 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The trouble, for the umpteenth time, Yukon..is that we have observed speciation in the lab and in the field.  Not just speciation, and not just once, but cladogenesis as well, multiple times.  You can even produce this effect at home without any complicated equipment.  

Unless it's wholly unimportant to you for the things you post to be true, this complaint is DOA.  You could still field the objection, in a more accurate form, ofc.  We have yet to observe human speciation, for example.  We've seen that we came from something else - but not that something has come from us.  Maybe the thing that we know can happen, that has happened, won't happen.  Who knows why.  The same factors are in play - but this could be the one instance in which the ball falls up.

Ultimately, this is what creationists like you, or like John, believe.  It's not really the case that you don't believe in biology or facts.  Now is it.  There, cutting to the chase.
But Gae he didn't get his crocoduck therefore it hasn't happened because a creationist website told him so  Hilarious

Meanwhile all the actual biologists (including Richard Lenski) stick to what's actually been observed that disagrees with his ignorant ramblings    

Who should we side with i wonder 🤔
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RE: The code that is DNA
THIS JUST IN RICHARD LENSKI DENOUNCES EVOLUTION AND ACCEPTS CREATIONISM 

Oh wait that never happened and he accepts what his own study supports ........evolution .
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 31, 2019 at 9:14 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote:
(December 31, 2019 at 3:35 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The trouble, for the umpteenth time, Yukon..is that we have observed speciation in the lab and in the field.  Not just speciation, and not just once, but cladogenesis as well, multiple times.  You can even produce this effect at home without any complicated equipment.  

Unless it's wholly unimportant to you for the things you post to be true, this complaint is DOA.  You could still field the objection, in a more accurate form, ofc.  We have yet to observe human speciation, for example.  We've seen that we came from something else - but not that something has come from us.  Maybe the thing that we know can happen, that has happened, won't happen.  Who knows why.  The same factors are in play - but this could be the one instance in which the ball falls up.

Ultimately, this is what creationists like you, or like John, believe.  It's not really the case that you don't believe in biology or facts.  Now is it.  There, cutting to the chase.
The greater point is that you haven’t observed or have the proof of one species turning into another completely different kind of creature.
One w new novel features or body plans, ever

(December 31, 2019 at 4:56 pm)no one Wrote: Be honest potato head, this infatuation you have with fruit flies is because, no matter how you try, your mental aptitudes can not rival theirs.
Wrong, it shows macro evolution ain’t happening

Le sigh, once again you show you don't actually understand the basics of evolution even though they have been explained time and again.



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RE: The code that is DNA
I would do a better job teaching
evolution to a dog.



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