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The code that is DNA
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 5:04 pm)GKlorophyll Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 4:24 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: In my experience, theists often have quite varied, and sometimes mutually exclusive definitions of god, so before we go forward you should probably clarify. What is your definition of god?

My definition would be : an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent being,

Okay.

Quote:which is probably a definition most theists can agree on.

You’d be surprised, lol.

(December 30, 2019 at 4:24 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: No, I wouldn’t. How could I? If I have zero evidence that cars are designed, or how they’re designed, how could I rationally justify reaching that conclusion?

Quote:Oh, so basically, if we erase factories from the picture, you would think cars were just assembled by some evolutionary sleight of hand process?

If all we’re doing is erasing factories from the picture, then I still have mountains of evidence that cars are designed, as pointed out in my previous response to you.

Quote:Their very existence in an orderly fashion fully justifies the conclusion.

No, that’s wrong. We have all kinds of examples of things in nature that appear ordered and designed, but are not. Is every individual snowflake designed by god? We know how snowflakes form, don’t we? So, if we have things in the world that appear designed and are designed (like cars), and we also have things in the world that appear designed, but are not (like snowflakes), then is appearance of design a reliable way to determine whether something is or isn’t designed? How good is reasoning that leads you to mutually exclusive conclusions?


(December 30, 2019 at 4:08 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: A mechanical device is obviously designed, a biological one, especially one as flawed as humans, not so much.

Quote:Why is it obvious in the first case but not in the second? What does mechanical entail that biological doesn't?

Because we have evidence that people make things, or in other words, we have evidence of a designer, lol.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
@Klorophyll

I’m SO sorry; I totally jacked up your last response to me by clicking the edit button instead of the reply button, and now I don’t know how to revert it. #ModFail. Maybe, @Valkyrie can help a brotha out? 😭
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 3:21 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: LadyForCamusI agree that something can’t come from nothing, but probably not for the same reasons as you.

So we're left with two options then : infinite regress or a necessary first cause. Disagree?

Yes. You missed the third option, we don't know.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 5:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Klorophyll

I’m SO sorry; I totally jacked up your last response to me by clicking the edit button instead of the reply button, and now I don’t know how to revert it. #ModFail. Maybe, @Valkyrie can help a brotha out? 😭

I’d love to try but I always screw up playing with quotes. I probably could if I was on a laptop and not my phone.

Sorry.
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 5:55 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 3:21 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: LadyForCamusI agree that something can’t come from nothing, but probably not for the same reasons as you.

So we're left with two options then : infinite regress or a necessary first cause. Disagree?

Yes. You missed the third option, we don't know.

Theists always try to make the universe fit into their ideas of what it can or cannot be, or do. The universe is in no way obligated to comply with silly, human notions of it.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 6:01 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 5:55 pm)Succubus Wrote: Yes. You missed the third option, we don't know.

Theists always try to make the universe fit into their ideas of what it can or cannot be, or do. The universe is in no way obligated to comply with silly, human notions of it.
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 5:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 5:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Klorophyll

I’m SO sorry; I totally jacked up your last response to me by clicking the edit button instead of the reply button, and now I don’t know how to revert it. #ModFail. Maybe, @Valkyrie can help a brotha out? 😭

I’d love to try but I always screw up playing with quotes.  I probably could if I was on a laptop and not my phone.

Sorry.

Oh, fuck me. Maybe I can figure it out, lol.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 6:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 5:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I’d love to try but I always screw up playing with quotes.  I probably could if I was on a laptop and not my phone.

Sorry.

Oh, fuck me. Maybe I can figure it out, lol.

Is that an option (the first part, not the last)?

Smile
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 30, 2019 at 6:11 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(December 30, 2019 at 6:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Oh, fuck me. Maybe I can figure it out, lol.

Is that an option (the first part, not the last)?

Smile

For you, doll? Anything. 😝
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
RE: The code that is DNA
I don't get the 'something from nothing'

Why do theists assume there was ever a nothing, or that nothing is even possible ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'



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