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Evolution/creation video
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RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 10, 2019 at 6:08 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(December 6, 2019 at 4:43 pm)Drich Wrote: All relgions have a quid pro quoe. you do ABC the deity provides XYZ..

Find out the ABC do it and see what happens.

If the ABC has to happen through and indivisual/preist whatever then the test is tainted. if the result of your ABC has to be interpreted by a priest or what ever the test is tainted.

The God of the bible works with people directly.

People that believe in the Bible god CLAIM that the Bible god works with people directly.

How does one go about testing if this claim is actually true?
Luke 11 spells it out it is what I was known for harping on here. It's to A/S/K or ask seek and knock is the analogy. it boils down to asking or talking to others about what God has done for them and praying (this prayer is in line with what Jesus teaches us is prayer/it is not asking for stuff) but asking for change and the ability to see and hear him work. it is seeking in the bible and in study. Meaning in order to see him work in our life, we must be able to identify the God of the bible. most of us has a corrupted or watered down/slanted view of God and expect the God of the bible to work in the ways we have been mistaught.

He wont. not generally anyway. You have to learn to meet him on his terms. We can only do this through study so we can build a picture of God and a accurate representation of how the holy Spirit works. Then to knock is to repeat.

Many say they have done this. I can promise most have not because they misrepresent who God is. they are still looking for the gandalf version of God. which means they have not sought nor knocked, meaning you have to keep going back keep refining your understanding till you get a correct picture. Most people seek or ask for God through some sort of verification process which again is not seeking God on his terms, but asking God to meet them on their terms.

To which I say what person of real power let alone almighty power bends his word or will to a lessor person or being? Would obama or trump drop what they were doing to meet you at your local starbucks just because you demanded a meeting? Same thing. Here you have an open invite, but you must 'dress the part' and speak the nomenclature and honor the procedure. Again God is not your buddy he is not your pop pop. Think penultimate being in existence, invites you to a black tie event and respond with the time date and place of your choosing and demand he be there instead. it simply does not work that way with man let alone work that way with an infinitely more powerful being.

Quote:I am pretty sure that you would accept that some percentage of people that believe that the Bible god worked with them directly, were actually: mistaken, or delusional, or misinterpreting a natural brain state (for example, temporal lobe epilepsy) as the Bible god working with them, and the Bible god did not actually work with them directly.
Here's the thing though... just because I do not see the good in what some people who claim to be of God do, does not mean even in evil God is using them is some way shape or form.

For instance Nazi germany claimed to be christian even though the replaced Jesus with hitler. (how can one claim to follow christ when christ has been removed fro the religion) either way, God did use those people to ultimately answer a 2000 year old prayer of the jews to be able to return home. Yes it cost the blood of 6 million, but if you honestly asked all of the jews between the destruction of israel/the temple in 70ad by the romans to the restoration right after WWII I would dare to say there would be few hundred million over 2000 years who would seriously be willing to give their life away to see jerusalem restored. God used the wicked evil of man in this case to petition the nations of the world to give the jews back their home. God took an evil and made something good



Quote:How does one go about telling the difference? How does one that sincerely believes the Bible god worked with them directly, actually verify they are correct?
If God can use our inner most evil desires to do a good like that then it would be next to impossible for us to say whether God worked with someone or not.

Ultimately that is between them and the lord.

All we can do is try and look at what comes of their work (the fruit or what they produce as the net result of that relationship) Like with the Nazis we can see that group may have claimed partnership but did not in their actions play out that partnership, however God used them to his ultimate will in the end.. On the other side it is quite easy to see someone actually work with in the frame work of God and see good works being done consistently over a long period of time. Will those people mess up, yes. will they continue to sin yes, but the measure of a man comes in the balance of his life not one day's mistakes.

Like wise we can discern evil men pretending to be in service with God. what we can not discern is if God chooses to use or work with an evil man's intentions for the ultimate good. IE using hitler to give the jews back their land. to use the dark ages to ultimately free the church from religion. ect..

Quote:How am I supposed to tell the difference between someone that actually had the Bible god work with someone directly, and someone who is mistaking or delusional?
read the bible.. this is apart of the seeking i was telling you about, When first get into God we all (can't help it) display what the bible calls spiritual fruit. These are evidences of the Holy Spirit indwelling people. yes they are common attributes, but what makes them uniquely attributes of the Holy Spirit is these attributes are often time displayed despite how harsh life is or has become for the Christian. As we no longer take input from other to help us define our self worth or being. which also means when asked that we know and understand the source of our fruit is of God and not some internal or external attribute like a cherry disposition or a child or new car ect..

The fruits are as follows:
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

That said each of us are different and some of us may have say more self control than others or some may be naturally inclined to be kind and gentle, while other still have a stronger sense of forbearance. The idea is not that we are perfect in these attribute but these attributes govern who we are through the lens and or filter of God and the bible.

Yes people can have these attributes without God or the bible, but a christian knows his fruit are the net result of God and the bible, not something intrinsic to him or some outside influence.

Then as one gets more mature in the faith these stronger fruit manifest into spiritual gifts. These gifts are like spiritually augmented abilities.

These extraordinary spiritual gifts, often termed "charismatic gifts", are the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, increased faith, the gifts of healing, the gift of miracles, prophecy, the discernment of spirits, diverse kinds of tongues, interpretation of tongues. To these are added the gifts of apostles, prophets, teachers, helps (connected to service of the poor and sick), and governments (or leadership ability) which are connected with certain offices in the Church. These gifts are given by the Holy Spirit to individuals, but their purpose is to build up the entire Church.[1] They are described in the New Testament, primarily in 1 Corinthians 12,[6] Romans 12,[7] and Ephesians 4.[8] 1 Peter 4[9] also touches on the spiritual gifts.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_gift

Some say these gift ceased long ago. I say they are still available for the right people. I know I could not be here with you guys for so long if not for an almost supernatural knowledge and retention of the scripture and a crazy insite to God's word.

like this whole video thing came to me in a flash or a series of ideas on how all of genesis came together. As fast as I could write these completed idea came (out of order) it took some time to put everything together almost 10 years ago now, but little has changed since the original download of info..
Meaning this content was not the result of something I did because at the time I had no answers but something literally given to me in a flash of understanding.

Again how do you know it is legit? you have to ask and seek. you have to pray for direction and read the bible to see if what I said here contradicts it in any way. then decide for yourself as not every form of christianity is for every body. that is why we have so many different denominations.

Because our greatest commands are to love God with all your best and to love your neighbor as your self, because we are all different this level of love and understand we give to God will be different we need different was and different avenues/churches to worship in. which is why I/the bible says look for fruit.. (not a specific fruit like an apple or denominationally like a baptist or pentecostal but fruit in general. Like a Jesus Christ centered Religion.

Because if we have a Christ centered form of worship we not only have forgiveness when we sin we also have forgiveness 10xs over when we worship with all of our ability and simply get it wrong. God was able to give Christianity just two rules because of what Christ did, rather than books of rules like he had to give the jews. and those two rules are do your best by me (god) and take care of each others. for some this means a ton of rules and because they think this God holds them to said rule for others this means freedom and for them God also holds them to a tandard based on what they know.

Don't be afraid to check things out. if people are doing God's work THROUGH THE FILTER OF GOD AND THE BIBLE and it jives with you, then most likly you are with good people. If good works are being done and people or man made institutions are the source of these deeds and not God or God is a second thought... Then most ikly these people are not working with God. If out right evil (not immoral deeds/man's standard, evil being Gods) If out right evil is being accepted or justified then by their fruit you will know God is not with them.

(December 10, 2019 at 6:48 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(December 10, 2019 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote: WATCH THE VIDEO! Educate yourself before you jump in. We could very well be speaking on a creation/evolution topic you never heard of before!

Asked and answered this question my self in the video. I show that there are two separate narratives one is a 7 day creation where evolved man/the species of man is created day 6 out side the garden and the chapter 2 narrative is Garden only. meaning chapter 2 man is of a specific individual. Adam.

I'm not sure why you cannot just give a short, summarized answer here, but okay, I will watch the video at some point. If it doesn't have the explicit answers to what I'm asking, I'm going to virtually slap you.

because writting out this answer over the last 10 years leads to confusion and 20 more questions. questions I built into the video which seems to be easier to understand.

(December 10, 2019 at 10:51 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: So I watched your video, and you've answered none of my questions in the video. All you've done in the video is say that chapter 2 is "a second narrative" or "a separate narrative" and how there's "no timeline" between chapters 2 and 3... Okay? So what? You've not provided answers to anything I asked you in my above post.

Also, some tips for public speaking, from an accomplished public speaker:

-Know what you want to say before you say it. This doesn't require a script, but you should maybe consider a script. I'd prefer to hear someone who sounds a bit more "artificial," making clear, concise points in an orderly fashion than to hear you bumble and stumble over your words for twelve minutes and "sound authentic" because you couldn't be bothered to stick to a script.

-Outline your main points, then support those main points with minor points that help explain and wrap up what you're trying to say.

-Speak clearly. You were sort of mumbling a lot of the time and it was hard to understand what you were saying or where you were trying to go with your ideas.

-Have some emotion in your voice. When you're speaking for any amount of time and want to keep peoples attention, it's advisable to not speak in some droning, monotone voice that makes it sound like you're reciting a grocery list.

Just some constructive criticism. Outside of that, you've not answered the questions I asked, like you promised the video would, and I want my money back.

*virtually slaps Drich

if you need me to further connect the dots for you please relist your questions.

(December 11, 2019 at 12:37 am)Athene Wrote: Your voice and delivery is perfect for ASMR/sleep content.

Got any longer videos?

there is the one with your mom..
Hilarious

(December 11, 2019 at 2:10 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Genesis Earth came to exist before the sun.  It was a water world with the spirit of god hovering over it.  Then came the sun, dividing day and night.  Whether it's evolution or cosmology, any attempt to resolve Genesis with science comes to a halt in the first four verses.

Either you have faith or you don't.  Why the need to show how matters of faith fit with science?

asked and answered in the video

I explain how scripturally the sun came first 

scripturally and contextually how light without a direct reference of a sun came about and a 12 other popular contradictions.
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#32
RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: asked and answered in the video

I explain how scripturally the sun came first 

scripturally and contextually how light without a direct reference of a sun came about and a 12 other popular contradictions.

I'm sure that's quite the song and dance.  All to avoid how Genesis is explicit in stating that Earth and water existed before light, or night and day.  Moving further down the text, it becomes clear that Earth existed before the sun.  Furthermore, the moon is referenced as a lesser light.  It produces no light.  There's no re-interpretation for getting around that basic conflict between cosmology and Genesis.  Also, you didn't answer my question.  Why the need to resolve matters of faith with science?
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#33
RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 9, 2019 at 6:07 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(December 9, 2019 at 11:35 am)Drich Wrote: Again Gen 1 shows man outside of the Garden and he was not said to be made of dust. He is said to be made in the image of God... From that it is possible he evolved.

Chapter 2 was a garden only narrative and a specific person Adam was created from mud and fast tracked into a fully developed homosapien. As such his given a soul.
Quote:And who is to say which creation story we're to give credence to? In the time that Genesis was written, it's said there was no need for consistency in story-telling; that the narrative was more than just a linear recounting of events. But does that hold up today? I'd say not. If we're to take the creation story as literal, then which one was it?
the video answers this question very directly in that two different things are being described here. 1 the seven day creation by God the Father. which is the whole of chapter one and the first 3 verses of chapter 2.

Verse 4 forward of chapter 2 is a garden narrative which begins on day 3. Jesus was the creator of chapter 2 which had a different order.
Quote: Was it Chapter One or Chapter Two that defined the true creation?
Again chapter 1 gives you the full seven days of the world.
Chapter 2 verse 4 forward is garden narrative only starting on day 3
Quote: Or are we not to take the creation story as literal?
what I describe allows for a literal acceptance of both or do you still not see it?

Quote:And in that case, why pay it any attention at all, as scientific thinkers? Surely, if you're interested in understanding that period of time, the stories in Genesis can provide something for you. But if you're looking for an account of things that actually happened, is Genesis helpful at all?

That's the real question at the bottom of all of this.

again asked and answered in the video watch it again this time in full with the intent on learning something. Nothing I wrote here wasn't addressed directly in the video

(December 11, 2019 at 3:34 pm)Ranjr Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='1946719' dateline='1576091846']
asked and answered in the video

I explain how scripturally the sun came first 

scripturally and contextually how light without a direct reference of a sun came about and a 12 other popular contradictions.

I'm sure that's quite the song and dance.  All to avoid how Genesis is explicit in stating that Earth and water existed before light, or night and day.  Moving further down the text, it becomes clear that Earth existed before the sun.  Furthermore, the moon is referenced as a lesser light.  It produces no light.  There's no re-interpretation for getting around that basic conflict between cosmology and Genesis.  Also, you didn't answer my question.  Why the need to resolve matters of faith with science?

No, day two explicitly states why the sun was not observable on day one and chapter two states why the sun was not visible till day 4. in plain english. None of you guys bother to actually read the bible with honest eyes. you only read to support your slant.
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#34
RE: Evolution/creation video
Genesis is very clear.  Earth existed before the sun.  It was a world of water, implying that water existed before fusion of hydrogen molecules.  That does not jibe with science. 

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.


There's nothing there about the sun being unobservable on day one.  Light didn't exist until day two.  And I'm not being honest?  You're the one avoiding the obvious and my original question.  Answer the question.
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#35
RE: Evolution/creation video
You do realise that the word Elohim is the Hebrew (and Aramaic) for gods (as in plural), right?
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#36
RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 11, 2019 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote:



No, day two explicitly states why the sun was not observable on day one and chapter two states why the sun was not visible till day 4. in plain english. None of you guys bother to actually read the bible with honest eyes. you only read to support your slant.

I'm not sure why you have me quoted as saying this, because it wasn't me. Please edit your response if you're still able to.

Also, your video did not answer any of my questions, like you promised it would, and now you're asking me to relist my questions?

Are you really that lazy, dude?
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
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RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: For instance Nazi germany claimed to be christian even though the replaced Jesus with hitler....Yes it cost the blood of 6 million
No it didnt. Nazi Germany was pretty much divided on the issue of christianity. The whole SS under Himmler, and many more,  viewed it as (jewish!) superstition and wanted to get rid of it asap, while others were staunch christians.
Also noone claimed that Hitler was the reincarnatoin of a jewish deity. At least not that i know of.


(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: .... either way, God did use those people to ultimately answer a 2000 year old prayer of the jews to be able to return home.
Post hoc rationalisation. I am surprised you didnt know (or acknowledge this) after having failed so often.
Also, if i were god, my price would have been only 5mio corpses. Time to start worshipping me. Your ability ( and that of any other religious nutter) to portray the most horrible crimes and sufferings of man as the consequence of the decisions of a benevolant deity is........impressive (for lack of any other word).  Dodgy
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#38
RE: Evolution/creation video
Or it would be, if it werent coming from a person who believes, as a fundamental article of their faith - that you can't bake a cake without at least one jew in it.
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RE: Evolution/creation video
(December 11, 2019 at 3:34 pm)Ranjr Wrote:
(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: asked and answered in the video

I explain how scripturally the sun came first 

scripturally and contextually how light without a direct reference of a sun came about and a 12 other popular contradictions.

 All to avoid how Genesis is explicit in stating that Earth and water existed before light, or night and day.     

I did not avoid anything, I just framed the perception and applied it to the right perspective.
Quote:Moving further down the text, it becomes clear that Earth existed before the sun. I'm sure that's quite the song and dance. 
Moving back up to literally the first verse The bible says the cosmos (heavens) where created first then the earth. (all explained in the video.)

Quote:Furthermore, the moon is referenced as a lesser light.  It produces no light.
The moon being a lessor light does not speak to the production of light. it simply states that the moon light is less than the sun.
Quote:There's no re-interpretation for getting around that basic conflict between cosmology and Genesis.
there is no conflict between cosmology and genesis if you simply read what has been written without any influence of traditional interpretation.
Quote:Also, you didn't answer my question.  Why the need to resolve matters of faith with science?
because many children/students coming from a back ground of faith cant. and they are being taught either one is right or the others. What I have done here is to allow for faith in religion as well as science.

(December 11, 2019 at 4:19 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Genesis is very clear.  Earth existed before the sun.  It was a world of water, implying that water existed before fusion of hydrogen molecules.  That does not jibe with science. 

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
As stated video. there is nothing that ties this sentence with day one of creation. book chapter and verse denotation where not apart of the orginal writting. they were added 1000's of years after the fact.
these denotations creat an artifical correlation/time line that does not always exist.
(Again I go over this in the video)
This means "in the beginning God creats the heavens (again explain in the video) heaven=cosmos and earth. Cosmos includes solar system Again explained in the video how sun is seen day three.

After this God finds himse self over the waters..
Quote:There's nothing there about the sun being unobservable on day one.  Light didn't exist until day two.  And I'm not being honest?  You're the one avoiding the obvious and my original question.  Answer the question.
again sport watch the video this whole thread is all about the content of the video which explains every question you have asked thus far.]

(December 11, 2019 at 4:25 pm)Nomad Wrote: You do realise that the word Elohim is the Hebrew (and Aramaic) for gods (as in plural), right?

and you realise you are wrong in the assumption that Elohiym has a singular definition.

Lexicon :: Strong's H430 - 'elohiym
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אֱלֹהִים
Transliteration
'elohiym
Pronunciation
el·ō·hēm' (Key)
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Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Plural of  (H433)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 93c
KJV Translation Count — Total: 2,606x
The KJV translates Strong's H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

  1. (plural)
    1. rulers, judges
    2. divine ones
    3. angels
    4. gods

  2. [size=undefined](plural intensive - singular meaning)[/size]
    1. god, goddess
    2. godlike one
    3. works or special possessions of God
    4. the (true) God
    5. God
[*][size=undefined]
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
אֱלֹהִים ʼĕlôhîym, el-o-heem'; plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels, × exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), × (very) great, judges, × mighty.
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon [?]
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https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex...H430&t=KJV

(December 11, 2019 at 11:10 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:
(December 11, 2019 at 3:50 pm)Drich Wrote:



No, day two explicitly states why the sun was not observable on day one and chapter two states why the sun was not visible till day 4. in plain english. None of you guys bother to actually read the bible with honest eyes. you only read to support your slant.

I'm not sure why you have me quoted as saying this, because it wasn't me. Please edit your response if you're still able to.

Also, your video did not answer any of my questions, like you promised it would, and now you're asking me to relist my questions?

Are you really that lazy, dude?
if you where the only person I speaking to, or if you where just one of 10.. Ive got 3 websites and over 40 people reviewing this same video. if you could I would appreciate you relist what you want answerd.

(December 12, 2019 at 3:19 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: For instance Nazi germany claimed to be christian even though the replaced Jesus with hitler....Yes it cost the blood of 6 million
No it didnt.
yes it did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

Quote:Nazi Germany was pretty much divided on the issue of christianity.
not after 1920. 
 (GermanPositives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which mixed the belief that the racial purity of the German people should be maintained with Nazi ideology and elements of ChristianityAdolf Hitler used the term in article 24[a] of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, stating: "the Party represents the standpoint of Positive Christianity". Nondenominational, the term could be variously interpreted. Positive Christianity allayed fears among Germany's Christian majority as expressed through their hostility towards the established churches of large sections of the Nazi movement.[2] In 1937, Hans Kerrl, the Nazi Minister for Church Affairs, explained that "Positive Christianity" was not "dependent upon the Apostle's Creed", nor was it dependent on "faith in Christ as the son of God", upon which Christianity relied, rather, it was represented by the Nazi Party: "The Führer is the herald of a new revelation", he said.[3] To accord with Nazi antisemitism, positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible. Based on such elements, positive Christianity separated itself from Nicene Christianity and as a result, it is considered apostate by all historically Trinitarian Christian churches, regardless of whether they are CatholicEastern Orthodox, or .



Quote:The whole SS under Himmler, and many more,  viewed it as (jewish!)
Bull Scheisse!

The historic example which Himmler used in practice as the model for the SS was the Society of Jesus, since Himmler found in the Jesuits what he perceived to be the core element of any order, the doctrine of obedience and the cult of the organisation.[80] The evidence for this largely rests on a statement from Walter Schellenberg in his memoirs (Cologne, 1956, p. 39), but Hitler is also said to have called Himmler "my Ignatius of Loyola".[81] As an order, the SS needed a coherent doctrine that would set it apart. Himmler attempted to construct such an ideology, and to this purpose he deduced a "pseudo-Germanic tradition"[82] from history. However, this attempt was not entirely successful. Höhne observes that "Himmler's neo-pagan customs remained primarily a paper exercise".[83]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_aspects_of_Nazism

Quote:superstition and wanted to get rid of it asap, while others were staunch christians.
Also noone claimed that Hitler was the reincarnatoin of a jewish deity. At least not that i know of.
No dummy he removed all semitic aspects of christianity. nothing in 'positive christianity' had anything to do with the jews. Hitler simply awarded himself as the head of the church. This is the EXACT title given to Christ in the bible. (christ is the head and the church is the body) Under hitler, hitler said he was the church userping Christ himself.

(December 11, 2019 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote: .... either way, God did use those people to ultimately answer a 2000 year old prayer of the jews to be able to return home.
Quote:Post hoc rationalisation. I am surprised you didnt know (or acknowledge this) after having failed so often.
Also, if i were god, my price would have been only 5mio corpses. Time to start worshipping me. Your ability ( and that of any other religious nutter) to portray the most horrible crimes and sufferings of man as the consequence of the decisions of a benevolant deity is........impressive (for lack of any other word).  Dodgy
hey stupid.. If you are going to correct someone and have a attitude doing it then you damn well better have references as well as all of your facts straight.

Did you notice you did not use one reference in yor correction of me? and I used corrections from sources that refute each and every single point you make? Know it or not that completely guts your efforts and makes you look like an ignorant t-what, so when you come to your self righteous summary one can assume your 'thoughts' here are just as baseless and meaningless as everything else you had to say to this point. meaning they do not even need to be addressed.
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RE: Evolution/creation video
Your sources are entirely comprised of your personal beliefs about a magic book. You can block quote that trash all day long and it won't move the chains.

Genesis got it wrong. So what. Silly human fairy tales don't have to be true for your god to exist...do they? If you were wrong about this, any of this or all of it...would you take that to mean that your god did not exist? Have you considered the position that you've put your god in, for no reason other than pride in your own ignorance?

Does magic book say anything about that...that you want to block quote?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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