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Hell is justified.
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#151
RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 7:41 am
The opposite of love is indifference.

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RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 7:47 am
The opposite of coherence being this thread.

It's clear that the faithful want their god to have a laundry list of positively valued attributes. Who wouldn't? FWIW, maybe their god does have that laundry list of attributes - but if so, their possession by god would only saddle that god with exactly the sorts of internally conflicting emotions and motivations that humans possess.

These things like love and justice and mercy and vengeance don't conflict with each other (or not) on account of who or what possess them. They conflict by nature, as we conceive of them.
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#153
RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 8:18 am
(February 22, 2020 at 4:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(February 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: My own view is that the opposite of love is grief, these are the most powerful emotions a person can experience as far as I'm aware.

Love's opposite is hate; it's the very well known -and official- antonym of the word.
It's not even the topic of discussion in this topic; i.e the OP is not discussing the "hypothetical parallel meanings of famous words". In other words: discuss the OP; it's better for the reader.

Dumbass. Indifference is the opposite of love OR hate. Grow a brain.
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#154
RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 8:36 am (This post was last modified: February 22, 2020 at 8:41 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Consider a two axis graph. One axis for the strength/presence of emotion, the other for positive and negative qualifiers.

Indifference sits at -10,0. Love... 10,10. Hate.... 10,-10.

Love, in this view, isn't the opposite of hate. Both are states of some strong existent emotion. Indifference, being the absence of any such state, positive or negative - antonym to both.
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#155
RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 8:47 am
(February 22, 2020 at 4:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(February 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: My own view is that the opposite of love is grief, these are the most powerful emotions a person can experience as far as I'm aware.

Love's opposite is hate; it's the very well known -and official- antonym of the word.
It's not even the topic of discussion in this topic; i.e the OP is not discussing the "hypothetical parallel meanings of famous words". In other words: discuss the OP; it's better for the reader.

Okey doke, let's get back to the OP.  If God loves people, he couldn't possibly punish them in the manners described in either the Quran or the New Testament.  Since both of these mystic tomes say that God allows precisely these sorts of punishments, God either hates some people or is indifferent to their sufferings.

I'm good either way.

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#156
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February 22, 2020 at 8:49 am
The importance of the indifference is a God of the whole Universe does or does not notice us? Utterly unlikely. Totally indifferent. Leaving believers to piss in the wind with their prayers and hopes.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 8:50 am
Any person who seeks justification for torture in the hereafter is only warming up their pitch. It's inevitable that a tyranny in heaven (real or imagined) will produce tyranny on earth.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 9:00 am
(February 22, 2020 at 8:49 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The importance of the indifference is a God of the whole Universe does or does not notice us? Utterly unlikely. Totally indifferent. Leaving believers to piss in the wind with their prayers and hopes.

Given that God has the wherewithal to end (or at least ameliorate) human suffering and clearly does not, an indifferent God would be the very definition of psychopathy that the OP was going on about.

Therefore, God deserves to be in Hell.  It's, you know, justified.

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RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 9:28 am
(February 22, 2020 at 9:00 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 22, 2020 at 8:49 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The importance of the indifference is a God of the whole Universe does or does not notice us? Utterly unlikely. Totally indifferent. Leaving believers to piss in the wind with their prayers and hopes.

Given that God has the wherewithal to end (or at least ameliorate) human suffering and clearly does not, an indifferent God would be the very definition of psychopathy that the OP was going on about.

Therefore, God deserves to be in Hell.  It's, you know, justified.

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And people who tell me I will go Hell should go to Hell and wait for me.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 9:37 am
(February 22, 2020 at 9:28 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(February 22, 2020 at 9:00 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Given that God has the wherewithal to end (or at least ameliorate) human suffering and clearly does not, an indifferent God would be the very definition of psychopathy that the OP was going on about.

Therefore, God deserves to be in Hell.  It's, you know, justified.

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And people who tell me I will go Hell should go to Hell and wait for me.

When someone tells me I'm going to Hell, my usual response is, 'I'll save you a seat by the fire.'

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