Is Ghandi goint to hell or eternal death

[reverendjeremiah]

Now what did Ghandi do and say that was Christ-like, I wonder...? Hmmmm...

hmmm..well, he didnt threaten to torture people for all eternity in a lake of fire if they didnt believe in him. He didnt cure blindness with spit and dirt. He didnt claim to come from a virgin...hmmm...he didnt walk on water or cast out demons...

I give up..what did he do and say that was christ like?

[Minimalist]

Here's a better case than Gandhi, Watson.

http://www.bible.ca/s-Dahmer.htm

Will Dahmer go to heaven? No one knows except God. It will be based upon the genuiness of Dahmer's repentance and conversion. But I would personally like to think he is. In fact I would like God to use Jeffery Dahmer as an example of His divine forgiveness. Perhaps God picks one notorious sinner who repented from each generation and holds him up and says, "If I can forgive Jeffery Dahmer, I can forgive anyone of any sin."

File this nut under Exhibit A of why xtians are fucked up.

[reverendjeremiah]

Here's a better case than Gandhi, Watson.

http://www.bible.ca/s-Dahmer.htm

Will Dahmer go to heaven? No one knows except God. It will be based upon the genuiness of Dahmer's repentance and conversion. But I would personally like to think he is. In fact I would like God to use Jeffery Dahmer as an example of His divine forgiveness. Perhaps God picks one notorious sinner who repented from each generation and holds him up and says, "If I can forgive Jeffery Dahmer, I can forgive anyone of any sin."

File this nut under Exhibit A of why xtians are fucked up.

Jeffery Dahmer takes sole responsibility for everything he did, no excuses, no blaming any other people or things...then he turns around and says atheism and evolution was what made him do it because he believed "he wasnt held accountable"..the whole video makes me sick to my stomach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjW7bezdddE

[Minimalist]

He WAS crazy as a loon. Kind of all fits in.

[Watson]

hmmm..well, he didnt threaten to torture people for all eternity in a lake of fire if they didnt believe in him.

Point out to me in the Bible where Jesus says this.

He didnt cure blindness with spit and dirt.

And where he does this.

He didnt claim to come from a virgin

And where he says this.

I give up..what did he do and say that was christ like?

Hey, remember all of those messages Jesus preached? You know, about turning the other cheek, being kind to others, giving to the poor and needy, being nonviolent, etc., etc....? Weren't those all things that guy named Gandhi practiced, as well?

What a coincidence, huh?

[reverendjeremiah]

hmmm..well, he didnt threaten to torture people for all eternity in a lake of fire if they didnt believe in him
Point out to me in the Bible where Jesus says this..

- Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Jesus says hell is full of eternal fire, and if your hand causes you to sin against Jesus, then you should cut it off. Jesus basically threatens that it would be better to cut your sinful hand off than to piss Jesus of and have him throw you into eternal hell fire..Jesus is quite nasty and disturbing..he carries on and on about cutting of body parts.)

- Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Jesus casts death and Hell and everyone who wasnt saved by worshipping him and excepting him as their lord and savior into the lake of fire. If you ask me, this is a bit redundant on the bibles behalf to say that Hell is fire, but Hell will be thrown into a lake of fire, but the bible is far from being a science book. Its not even well written theology...and yet more proof that the bible cant even get its own fictional places right)

Reverend = 1
Watson = 0

He didnt cure blindness with spit and dirt.

Mark 8:22And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. 23And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. (okay, so I dont see the dirt part. Must be in some other translation I read..but there is deffinitely spit)

Mark 7: 31-37 And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis. 32And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him. 33And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue; 34And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. 35And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain. 36And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it; 37And were beyond measure astonished, saying, He hath done all things well: he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak. (more spit, no dirt..oh well..I still get the points)

Reverend = 2
Watson = 0

He didnt claim to come from a virgin

Luke 1:27-37 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. 36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. 37For with God nothing shall be impossible. (The holy ghost, a member of the trinity, which means the holy ghost IS Jesus, says that Jesus will be born of a virgin)

This is very basic Christian dogma, so I will have to award you a negative point for asking an atheist if Jesus was born from a virgin

Reverend = 3
Watson = -1

Here is the verses where Jesus casts out demons-
Mark 7:30And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

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Watson = -1
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Hey, remember all of those messages Jesus preached? You know, about turning the other cheek, being kind to others, giving to the poor and needy, being nonviolent, etc., etc....? Weren't those all things that guy named Gandhi practiced, as well?

What a coincidence, huh?

Of course I remember many of the messages in the bible that Jesus said, apparently your memory of some of the most basic things Jesus said about Christianity is lacking for you to have to ask an atheist to point them out to you, so your sarcastic reply has lost its umph. Turning the other cheek is NOT copyrighted by Christ. There were pacifist WAY before Christ was invented. Nobody in the world was kind before Christ was invented? I think not. Kindness is not trademarked by Christ. Charity is trademarked by Christ? So nobody helped anyone before Christ was invented? I think not. etc..etc...these are not "Christ like" messages. They are "Humanist" messages. Unless you believe none of this kindness stuff existed before Christ was invented.

Did Ghandi accept Jesus Christ as his personal lord and savior? No. He was a Hindu. Therefore Jesus Christ will (according to the mythology) toss Ghandi into Hell, and into the lake of fire of the second death to be tortured by flames for eternity.

Isnt Jesus a prick?

[Godscreated]

Here's a better case than Gandhi, Watson.

http://www.bible.ca/s-Dahmer.htm

Will Dahmer go to heaven? No one knows except God. It will be based upon the genuiness of Dahmer's repentance and conversion. But I would personally like to think he is. In fact I would like God to use Jeffery Dahmer as an example of His divine forgiveness. Perhaps God picks one notorious sinner who repented from each generation and holds him up and says, "If I can forgive Jeffery Dahmer, I can forgive anyone of any sin."

File this nut under Exhibit A of why xtians are fucked up.

Jeffery Dahmer takes sole responsibility for everything he did, no excuses, no blaming any other people or things...then he turns around and says atheism and evolution was what made him do it because he believed "he wasnt held accountable"..the whole video makes me sick to my stomach

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjW7bezdddE

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The only thing that makes you sick, he accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Understand that I'm not saying that he did or did not that is between him and God. I do however agree with him that if evolution is true then why should we worry about our actions, there is no higher power to worry about, when your dead thats it, worm food.

[Minimalist]

I do however agree with him that if evolution is true then why should we worry about our actions,

When you get your head out of your ass....if ever that happens...explain to me what the fuck that has to do with anything.


BTW....it wasn't your fucking god who nailed Dahmer....it was the criminal justice system and a pissed off inmate.

[reverendjeremiah]

The only thing that makes you sick, he accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior. Understand that I'm not saying that he did or did not that is between him and God. I do however agree with him that if evolution is true then why should we worry about our actions, there is no higher power to worry about, when your dead thats it, worm food.

Nope. It's his perogative and right to convert to any religion he sees fit. If you have read my post, you would know that I was upset that he started out saying he and he alone can only take responsibility for his action..then he turned around and said that being taught evolution and his lack of Christianity was responsible for his actions.

I love evolution. I think belief in gods and goddesses is an absurd proposition.. yet not once have I gone out to rape men and chop them up and do all of this macabre, grotesque crap Dahmer did. How about old Mussolini? He believed in God, look at what he did with Hitler..you were saying about belief vs morals? Look what all of the citizens did to Musolini at the end of his reign..they tore him to shreds..didnt they all believe in god as well?

[Watson]

Do not count your chickens before they hatch, Reverend Jeremiah...I'll respond to your post in ful ltomorrow when I can quote, but needless to say your understanding of Christianity is piss-poor at best. There was a reason I asked you to poitn things out for me, and it wasn't because I wasn't aware of those things already.