Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?

[WinterHold]

Keep it up; Think Tanks. Keep it up

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How do you look at yourselves in the mirror after housing a terrorist is beyond me.

[Mr Greene]

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Boogeyman? Br'er Bear?  Old Man Crow?

Equating geopolitical realities with folklore is an impressive failure, even for a god botherer.

It's subtler than that, obviously. I also hear frequently that boogeyman, old man crow are fabricated myths, not so with Japan, which I never visited.

So would you consider Atlantis to be real?
What about Transylvania or Transdniestria or Bongolesia?

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, run with it. I believe there are countries because I've heard about them from a guy who got it from a guy. Trans where now? Nah. Bob never told me that steve heard jim talking about it.

It just doesn't meet my very rigorous standards for belief and process.

Or - another wonderful example of believing true things for bad reasons, or no reason at all. It's nice to know that a person is aware of japans existence, but if the reason they believe in the existence of that country reduces to hearing someone talk about it...well. Revolutionaries talk about countries that don't exist pretty much all the time - it's basically their job.

[Megabullshit]

Does this way of writing look like a book an illiterate con artist wrote ?

How many of you even have opened this and read this book ?

Do you really think 1 person can write a book in that style with 114 chapters and 6,236 verses ?

[Fake Messiah]

Does this way of writing look like a book an illiterate con artist wrote ?

How many of you even have opened this and read this book ?

Do you really think 1 person can write a book in that style with 114 chapters and 6,236 verses ?

L Ron Hubbard wrote much more books on his fake religion. These are just starting pack.



And Ganesha wrote Mahabharata which is several dozen times larger than Quran

[The Grand Nudger]

We already know that an illiterate con artist didn't write magic book. That job was left to literate scribes.

To answer your question...yes. Plenty of people write books (or tell the stories that end up written). There's a whole genre of that called "literature".

[Fake Messiah]

Also Ashwin39 and other Muslims, don't you think it is suspicious that the Quran, which is believe to be Allah's perfect word, is so powerful and clear that Muslim apologists and scholars have to explain and reinterpret it in order to save it from being doubted, criticized, and ridiculed by everyone?

[R00tKiT]

So would you consider Atlantis to be real?
What about Transylvania or Transdniestria or Bongolesia?

I think I made myself pretty clear. The word Atlantis includes the myth element by definition, you will only hear about it in fantasy contexts. Try to think harder about why you believe some countries -which you never went to- do exist.

Meh, run with it.  I believe there are countries because I've heard about them from a guy who got it from a guy.  Trans where now?  Nah.  Bob never told me that steve heard jim talking about it.

It just doesn't meet my very rigorous standards for belief and process.

If you think about it, it really does come down to mouth to ear, we just have the fake impression that we get these informations from some pure source.

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Also Ashwin39 and other Muslims, don't you think it is suspicious that the Quran, which is believe to be Allah's perfect word, is so powerful and clear that Muslim apologists and scholars have to explain and reinterpret it in order to save it from being doubted, criticized, and ridiculed by everyone?

Maybe because you people truly suck at understanding the holy book? BTW I don't think Ashwin39 is a Muslim.

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, run with it.  I believe there are countries because I've heard about them from a guy who got it from a guy.  Trans where now?  Nah.  Bob never told me that steve heard jim talking about it.

It just doesn't meet my very rigorous standards for belief and process.

If you think about it, it really does come down to mouth to ear, we just have the fake impression that we get these informations from some pure source.

For you, I guess?  You'd have to limit those comments to yourself and people who believe that countries exist for the reason that you do.  

I don't know what a pure source has to do with anything.  Which of the two of us believes in such a thing..do you imagine?  I'm just trying to help you understand why what bob told jim doesn't cut it for me.

Hell, we can just assume..as I always suggest, that bob told jim exactly what magic book says and that it's all true.  These would still be poor demonstrations of that truth.  That doesn't change no matter how we arrange the other blocks in the tower. Is this not useful information to you, in service of the goal of helping others to understand islam? If what you want people to understand about islam is that it's full of sloppy thinking and poor choices...by all means, proceed. If you want a thoughtful person to hear what you have to say and think "I can understand why he believes that" - then you're going to have to find some way to overcome common obstacles that involves more than the absurd denial of their existence alongside a refusal to hold to your own chosen metrics.

Perhaps ask yourself how a christian could effectively communicate and convince you of the god-man or the accuracy of their magic books claims. You and I have more in common on this subject than you imagine.

[Fake Messiah]

The word Atlantis includes the myth element by definition, you will only hear about it in fantasy contexts.

And flying horses are not myth elements which you find in fantasy contexts? Like when Muhammad flew to heaven on a flying horse.

Maybe because you people truly suck at understanding the holy book?

Not likely because "you people" are 76% of world's population who considers Quran to be false.