Was Prophet Mohammed a caravan thieve?

[Megabullshit]

@Fake Messiah

Yes , i am a Muslim

The book is about the subject of God , The book is not even that hard to follow or interpret , It is the same god of the Jews and the Christians

Anyone with a proper understanding of the book wont harm any other person or belief in the name of God .

That is what really dumb people do .




Qur'an  29:46

And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best

Qur'an 2:62

And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?

Qur'an 2:62

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[The Grand Nudger]

If the book isn't hard to interpret or follow, than why do people keep hurting others, and more importantly themselves in the name of god and belief..over misinterpretations and misunderstandings?

Do you really think that they're all really dumb? Okay, fine...did god not know he was writing a magic book for dummies?

[Fake Messiah]

@Fake Messiah

Yes , i am a Muslim

The book is about the subject of God , The book is not even that hard to follow or interpret ,

If the book isn't hard to interpret or follow then why are Muslims killing each other since the beginning of Islam about how to properly interpret Quran?

[Megabullshit]

If the book isn't hard to interpret or follow, than why do people keep hurting others, and more importantly themselves in the name of god and belief..over misinterpretations and misunderstandings?

Do you really think that they're all really dumb?  Okay, fine...did god not know he was writing a magic book for dummies?

To be honest most of the Muslim people who i have met in in real life does not have a proper understanding of the old god of the Jews and the Christians

God is not 1400 years old , If a god exists it has to be a lot more older than that .

For me the God is the God the Jews and the Christians too .

I do not think God is a very narrow minded being if it exists .


Quran 11:7

And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."

Quran 21:30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

@Fake Messiah

Yes , i am a Muslim

The book is about the subject of God , The book is not even that hard to follow or interpret ,

If the book isn't hard to interpret or follow then why are Muslims killing each other since the beginning of Islam about how to properly interpret Quran?

Unfortunately i  really don't know much about the politics of the middle east to be honest .

I live in India

We have some problems of our own from other religions

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Keep it up; Think Tanks. Keep it up

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How do you look at yourselves in the mirror after housing a terrorist is beyond me.

Oh look, Porky's back.

[R00tKiT]

For you, I guess?  You'd have to limit those comments to yourself and people who believe that countries exist for the reason that you do. 

That's quite a lot, I'm afraid. I'm still waiting for you to present your reasons to believe these countries exist.

I don't know what a pure source has to do with anything.  Which of the two of us believes in such a thing..do you imagine?  I'm just trying to help you understand why what bob told jim doesn't cut it for me.

You didn't actually explain why it doesn't cut it for you. If you're worried that bob or jim may be unreliable, then we usually have more people telling the exact same thing bob told jim. If you think -as you mentioned before- that crowds of people can still get it wrong, I already said it's highly unlikely given the stakes - someone they're convinced is a prophet talking to them + their language proficiency -, and after that you just started making comparisons to christians.

Hell, we can just assume..as I always suggest, that bob told jim exactly what magic book says and that it's all true.  These would still be poor demonstrations of that truth. 

I didn't claim they are demonstrations of truth at all. Their truth is, above all, contingent on the existence of a personal god.

If what you want people to understand about islam is that it's full of sloppy thinking and poor choices...by all means, proceed.  If you want a thoughtful person to hear what you have to say and think "I can understand why he believes that" - then you're going to have to find some way to overcome common obstacles that involves more than the absurd denial of their existence alongside a refusal to hold to your own chosen metrics.

The problem is, again, it's not clear at all what standards you would accept. We're talking about preserving history here, not proving some theorem, this has nothing to do with reasoning and sloppy thinking, only what confidence one has in some body of texts. Put yourself in their shoes, how would you reliably report someone's sayings to future generations..?

[Mr Greene]

So would you consider Atlantis to be real?
What about Transylvania or Transdniestria or Bongolesia?

I think I made myself pretty clear. The word Atlantis includes the myth element by definition, you will only hear about it in fantasy contexts. Try to think harder about why you believe some countries -which you never went to- do exist.

You reckon? (don't get out much huh?)
And what about the other 3, you think they're real or fake and why?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's quite a lot, I'm afraid. I'm still waiting for you to present your reasons to believe these countries exist.

It is quite alot, yes.  I notice this as well....and fear is definitely at play.  Like I said, we have alot in common.

You didn't actually explain why it doesn't cut it for you. If you're worried that bob or jim may be unreliable, then we usually have more people telling the exact same thing bob told jim. If you think -as you mentioned before- that crowds of people can still get it wrong, I already said it's highly unlikely given the stakes - someone they're convinced is a prophet talking to them + their language proficiency -, and after that you just started making comparisons to christians.

No comments on which of us believes in "pure sources", then? We found another, the rule of stakes.  Do you apply this to the christian god-man and the reliability of their magic book?  No, ofc not.  Another point of agreement.

I didn't claim they are demonstrations of truth at all. Their truth is, above all, contingent on the existence of a personal god.

You very explicitly and repeatedly did.  This is a pointless lie.  You were wrong, that's all.  What is it that you want people to understand about islam by reference to your comments?

The problem is, again, it's not clear at all what standards you would accept. We're talking about preserving history here, not proving some theorem, this has nothing to do with reasoning and sloppy thinking, only what confidence one has in some body of texts. Put yourself in their shoes, how would you reliably report someone's sayings to future generations..?

The same standards that would convince you of the christian god-man, as I said.

You don't need to know anything about me, you only need know yourself. Do you know yourself..? If you choose some standard, and it doesn't convince you of christ...does it really convince you of the moongod's magic book? I'd say no. I'd say that this is an artifact of your lack of practice or self reflection - particularly in the context of discussing what you have never questioned with a person like myself.

Would you disagree? Would you insist, instead, that your own inability is a good proof of the inaccuracy of your beliefs, for example? Tell me that this is wrong. Tell me that you and I don't really have a fundamental difference in what we believe and why we might believe it. Not a difference in our ability to communicate or construct an argument, a difference in principle. Tell me that you really do believe that japan exists because steve told bob, who told you, that it it did.

Yes! A thousand times yes. Put yourself in the shoes of anyone who ever told any eschatological myth or foundational legend. This is a fantastic idea. What are some of the things you notice about -others- contents that might be exactly what I notice about your own?

-We don't have to argue all the time, how often do I implore you to proceed as though every jot and tittle is true? The real miracle of magic book, if magic book was miraculous in any way...would be that even though all the same forces are at play, and the product looks exactly as we'd suspect if those forces were in effect..it isn't. It's the straight dope from the author of the universe. You see these issues as plainly as I do, when the context is some other magic book.

That, Kloro....that...would be miraculous - inarguably fucking magic-book. I'd never shut up about it if I believed that it were true, and I'd never shy away from those issues in service to that end. They could do nothing other than establish the conjecture that book is magic.

[LastPoet]

You are not even a mod to come lecture me about my rights.
I didn't even mention suspension of the member or banning him from commenting on posts. That's the job of the mods indeed; not me or ironically; you.

I simply referred to my personal observation about it being a bot; or a mere think tank.
Get lost, terrorist defender. And it's my OP; I can tell you exactly about what I like to be posted in it or not. It's up to you to listen to my opinion or go ahead with your shameful posts, terrorist defender.

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Though thank you for exposing that Klorophil/MysticKnight only thrive with his terrorism because of you and bots like Fake Messiah.

You are accusing me of being a terrorist defender, and you are accusing him of being a sockpuppet of MK, and a terrorist, that is a crime and a serious accusation without proof, just because he told the truth about your religion hang tight. You are right, I am not a mod anymore. But I can do something to stop ya.

[The Grand Nudger]

The god of the jews and the christians isn't particularly old, Ashwin. I try not to dwell on what people do and don't believe about a god today as opposed to what they used to believe about that same god in the past. It's a non issue.

For me, obviously.

I also find it hard to believe that a god would be narrow minded, which is why narrow minded descriptions of gods are immediately suspect. I guess it's worth mentioning that this is a human tick of expectation. There's no particular reason that a god couldn't be close minded..and as a point of fact - most are.