Why 'Science' tries to separate the beginning from Evolution!

[The Architect Of Fate]

Good . Now the next question becomes why add god at all? What does it add ?

I'm a Christian theist. That's a theological world-view.

But I'm open to following where the evidence leads. I'll acknowledge that nature operates independent of God if there is evidence that it does.

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Yeah, independent of god.  Whole bunch of shit happens in the world that doesn't require a god, regardless of whether there are gods.

That's the claim, yes. But I can't accept it on your say-so.

There is evidence that nature operates dependent on god ? And is isn't there detectable means one could link this dependence ?

[JohnMBauer]

Maybe not, but I'm sure that we can accept it on your say so, which you'll give with no qualms.  

Please don't accept anything on my say-so.

Grass grows in my yard.  Did god have to specifically do that, or does grass just grow?

I think your claim is that God had nothing to do with it. Did you conclude that or assume it?

[The Grand Nudger]

Maybe not, but I'm sure that we can accept it on your say so, which you'll give with no qualms.  

Please don't accept anything on my say-so.

I'm good with it.  You should learn to love yourself.  Seen god do anything, seen anything that would need divine intervention?

I think your claim is that God had nothing to do with it. Did you conclude that or assume it?

My claim..is that it grows.  Do you deny that grass grows?

The item in question is whether or not their are fairies. It's a fun question, but a plant will grow and die regardless of how we answer it. If I told you (or you told me) that there was a cap every week, it wouldn't change an iota. Would it?

[JohnMBauer]

My claim..is that it grows.  Do you deny that grass grows?

Of course not. But you claimed a lot more than that. You claimed that it grows independent of God. That's the interesting part, and I'm wondering if you concluded that or assumed it.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, independent of god.

We both know that grass grows. If grass grows in a universe with god, grass grows. If grass grows in a universe without god....grass grows. Grass grows either way, grass neccesarrily grows regardless of whether or not there are any gods.

Simple.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Of course not. But you claimed a lot more than that. 

Not really he claimed it grows and there is no indication any god is involved 

You claimed that it grows independent of God.

Is there any reason to add god depence ?

 

That's the interesting part, and I'm wondering if you concluded that or assumed it.

Because there seems to be no reason to assume it's god dependent . It seems to be the case .

[no one]

Science, doesn't try to do anything. Science is what it is, undeterred by the fanatical stupidity of those that challenge and declare objection when reality upsets their perfect little fantasy.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Sure, independent of god.  

We both know that grass grows.  If grass grows in a universe with god, grass grows.  If grass grows in a universe without god....grass grows.  Grass grows either way, grass neccesarrily grows regardless of whether or not there are any gods.  

Simple.

That seems to be the whole thing in a nutshell, really.  Observing the physical universe can (and clearly does) point people in the direction of gods, but it isn't justified.  It can be safely presumed that a universe with gods wouldn't necessarily be distinguishable from a universe without them.

Boru

[downbeatplumb]

Grass grows in my yard.  Did god have to specifically do that, or does grass just grow?

I think your claim is that God had nothing to do with it. Did you conclude that or assume it?

When we look at natural processes we so far have had no need to use the god hypothesis to explain any piece of it.

In fact if you try to do so what  you end up doing is adding layers of additional explanation to explain god.

Its like:

Life started by some natural process energy gradients produced an in balance that along with complex chemicals started life like processes and replicated. Some of these processes are understood and scientists study alternatives and likely candidates for abiogenesis. Never having to inject EVER that it just has to be magic.

Compared with:

A super intelligent all powerful magical being that somehow has always existed for some reason just magic'd it into existence somehow using zarquan knows what method. Oh and there is NO evidence for the magical being you'll just have to take our word for it.

The god hypothesis is not just unsupported its a poor explanation. But for centuries Mr godly almightyson was the catch all answer to everything and so retarded human thinking for at least hundreds of years.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Seven pages of predictable.