Islam

[WinterHold]

 

It's not annoyance so much as frustration.

Once some one is happy with their ignorance. Digging them out of that hole just seems impossible.

Really, the discussion with WinterHold now seems at the level of them just sticking their fingers in their ears because we're shouting the valid point of "Humperdink! Humperdink! Humperdink! Humperdink!"

Cheers.

Not at work.

It has been long ago.

However over time, he himself reveals what drives him, the motivations and basic foundations. Watch the repeating themes, like hate (his frequent use of in-group and out-group terms), while claiming he loves people (just not the *bad ones*), like violence, while claiming he is a peaceful man (but of course not towards the *bad* ones). We have seen him multiple times now hiding like a coward behind his book, claiming that he will never kill. Nevertheless he ravels in violence, suffering of others and their death. I dont doubt he sincerely thinks its a decent thing to wish suffering and death upon major portions of the world population (literally!) but hey, his god is doing the actual killing, Atlass himself, well he is just sitting on the ranks. As if the gladiators in the arena were the only cruel and guilty people in the colosseum. He doesnt get that the people applauding and cheering are part of the problem too. He is one of those cowards who think they are perfectly innocent as long as they arent getting their hands dirty themselves.
He is basically a (wannabe) terrorist. He truly thinks terrorism is justified, and is an effective instrument to achieve his goals. Read his words in this very thread. The only thing he is missing, is to actually act on behalf of his (twisted) belief. He wants to terrorize people systematically (aka chopping hands off to keep them from stealing) he just thinks that should be done by someone else, since he is an oh-so-peaceful person. His get out of jail card ultmately being "but is all for a greater good". We know many people like him from history books. He is the worst kind of moral monster, one of those, once caught and demasekd would hide again....behind his book and the others who did the actual cruelty.

A coward, no more no less.

Its also telling that all this violence he is directing he doing so at others, never himself. He simply doesnt ever picture himself to be on the receiving end of his own cruelty. He never talks about himself being a thief (and we all have stolen something at some point in our life). Have you seen him ever say "sure, i have stolen, and i would have deserved to get my hand chopped off"? He is like a slave holder from the US south having no problem with slavery, because....he is no "goddamn fucking nigger".
He presupposes what he says and what he thinks his book is saying is correct, so why should he matter how "unjust" and people who are "wrong" are treated? He is none of them, by definition.

I am not saying he is a psychopath, those people have (afaik) a born deficiency that makes them unable to feel empathy, but he shows sociopathic traits, and sociopathy is trained, most probably by those who show him how to interpret his book *. Sociopaths do feel empathy, but they are able to ignore it to cast it aside.

He thinks of himself being a victim, all the time, and justifies his violence and hate by arguing that a victim has the right to fight back. Who are we to tell the poor victim to not fight back? Its on the core of his justification of violence: "But mommy, they started first!"

*no same human being reads a book, without being externally influenced, and concludes, "yeah, chopping hands off for a minor crime is ok". Nobody who was raised by halfway decent parents who taught him about empathy would do that. Maybe he was raised properly, idk, but probably at one point his anger about the current way the things are in the (his part of) world was growing unchecked. Maybe he has noone to check him, noone to talk sense into him, and that stupid book is poisonous. In that case the poison meets some very fertile ground.

In the end, whatever the reasons are, what the story behind was, i agree with (forgot the name now): He has turned into an uncivilized savage. The kind of person that needs to be checked, that we hope never will act on his beliefs, who never will have the power to create any part of the horror movie of a society he has in mind. Ironically he probably is used (by some) as a justification to keep treating the middle east exactly as it has been treated in the past. An irony that will never dawn upon him, since he is too much blinded and fascinated by the violence p0rn in his sick mind.

Hi, bot. This one of the rare times that I reply to you.

I'm my own man; bot. Parents raised me to become excellent at lots of things, but then I became my own man. I take the west to be my real raiser; I mean the shitload of movies and western shows I saw, along with video games made me..mmm more of an enlightened in the world of today.

In a nutshell: in the world of today, kill,butcher,play violent games,watch violent movies,but don't you ever accompany the name of a weaker tribe to that game,show or movie.

Cutting hands is cool as long as you are a Samurai, you can even make shows and movies about it. But don't you ever never accompany the name of Mohammed or Islam to your production or else you are a terrorist !

Threaten the whole world with a suicide bomb called the atomic bomb, but don't you ever be a Muslim who own it ! because then you are a terrorist.

Bomb,kill,rape, but with heavy metal in the background and automatically you are excused from the charge of terrorism !

Burn, kill, invade, but don't you ever belong to the weaker tribe while doing it !
Have HItler who burned the world in your country history, but don't you ever have Mohammed !

Go fuck yourself; hypocrite. You're a bot.

[Deesse23]

I take the west to be my real raiser; I mean the shitload of movies and western shows I saw, along with video games made me..mmm more of an enlightened in the world of today.

Is that what started your hate? You felt disillusioned, because first you loved the west, and once you found out its not all nice and fluffy, you couldnt help but hate "the west" with every fiber? There is only love or hate? No in between? No moderation, just extremism? Poor soul.

In a nutshell: in the world of today, kill,butcher,play violent games,watch violent movies,but don't you ever accompany the name of a weaker tribe to that game,show or movie.

You are trying to justify violence, dude, and to be honest, up to the end of your diatribe i gave up counting, honestly!
But, as i posted before, your obsession with violence becomes apparent, more and more.

Cutting hands is cool as long as you are a Samurai, you can even make shows and movies about it. But don't you ever never accompany the name of Mohammed or Islam to your production or else you are a terrorist !

Nobody sad that. You are strawmanning.
Why?
To justify your own hunger for violence, just like i said.
Oh, and conflating real violence with movies, games etc., well that is telling again. You seem to be oblivious to the real harm real violence does....to others. So its all the same, a frag in a game, a real hand chopped off, as long as its not you, who cares, right?

Threaten the whole world with a suicide bomb called the atomic bomb, but don't you ever be a Muslim who own it ! because then you are a terrorist.

You are justifying you rown violence again: "But mommy, they started it!"
Just like i said before.

Bomb,kill,rape, but with heavy metal in the background and automatically you are excused from the charge of terrorism !

Nobody ever said that. You are trying, for the third time now, to justifiy your own hunger for violence.

You are really obsessed with violence, particularly with justifyng to do it to those you hate (and you feel wronged by, even its not them personally, since noone of us ever did any wrong to you or does intend to). Since none of us ever did any wrong to you, you are justifyng violence ot the innocent.
Congratulations on your totally fucked up moral compass.

Burn, kill, invade, but don't you ever belong to the weaker tribe while doing it !
Have HItler who burned the world in your country history, but don't you ever have Mohammed !

Go fuck yourself; hypocrite. You're a bot.

Did you just try to justify violence again, for the fourth time in a row?
Is that all you have? A perverted craving for violence and the need to justify it?
Why is it that you are so obssessed with violence? Often people are obsessed with things they cant have. Is it that? Because you are too much of a coward to do the violence yourself? You know, the reason why you are hiding behind a book and your god. Yeah, violence is a great thing if you can have it both ways: Claim to be peaceful while hatefully enjoying everyones suffering and death, not dealt by you, you are too much of a coward. You have your god do the killing and some "elected ones" to chop hands off, while you are up there in the ranks with your , enjoying your violence p0rn.

Poor thing feels victimized, and thus thinks he is justified to victimize everyone else, probably thinks hurting everyone else will make his pain go away, thats why he is so obsessed with violence. In the end what he is, is to be just like any other abuser.


Sounds like i hit a nerve.  
And now please put me on ignore again, before you start to actually harm people because you are so enraged by the truth i just told you, by the mirror i just held up in front of your face.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Hi, bot. This one of the rare times that I reply to you.

Calling your critics bots is just lame and you don't respond because you can't handle criticism 

I'm my own man; bot. Parents raised me to become excellent at lots of things, but then I became my own man. I take the west to be my real raiser; I mean the shitload of movies and western shows I saw, along with video games made me..mmm more of an enlightened in the world of today.

Clearly that's not the case 

In a nutshell: in the world of today, kill,butcher,play violent games,watch violent movies,but don't you ever accompany the name of a weaker tribe to that game,show or movie.

Conflating fictional violence to your desire to inflict real world violence is a dumb comparison . Also depictions of violence are not a encouragement of it 

Cutting hands is cool as long as you are a Samurai, you can even make shows and movies about it. But don't you ever never accompany the name of Mohammed or Islam to your production or else you are a terrorist !

Conflating fictional violence to your desire to inflict real world violence is a dumb comparison . Also depictions of violence are not a encouragement of it 

Threaten the whole world with a suicide bomb called the atomic bomb, but don't you ever be a Muslim who own it ! because then you are a terrorist.

Conflating defensive  nuclear deterrence with terrorism is stupid . Conflating a no win scenario like the bombing of Japan with terrorism is stupid . And no trusts any muslim country in the middle east with a nuke for a damn good reason . 

Bomb,kill,rape, but with heavy metal in the background and automatically you are excused from the charge of terrorism !

Conflating fictional violence to your desire to inflict real world violence is a dumb comparison . Also depictions of violence are not a encouragement of it 

Burn, kill, invade, but don't you ever belong to the weaker tribe while doing it !

Lol your just full of false equivalencies 

Have HItler who burned the world in your country history, but don't you ever have Mohammed !

Yeah because we just love Hitler and treat him as a divine profit to be emulated lol . Do you think before you write this dranged dreck 

Go fuck yourself; hypocrite. You're a bot.

To bad you didn't point out a single hypocrisy and you prove you are in fact the bot here . So no go fuck yourself you psycho .

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Very well, so he inspired the head chopping in the revolt with his writings.

Accept he didn't learn what he actually believed instead of imposing your barbarian ideals onto him 

Good thing that the French didn't go literally to the guts of their victims.

They fucking did which is why as i pointed out with freaking citations the  guillotine was introduced as it was viewed as less cruel 

But I told peebo that I don't take orders from the French. Anyways; the revolution exposed how the west uses beheading when it needs to; then come cry the next day that it is barbaric.

We don't do that anymore we have not beheaded people for almost 40 years nor is anyone glorifying it now the way you glorify beheading 

And if its economical enough; they would go to the guts. Imagine if guts bring gold...

This is just asinine at  this point

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

I've given up arguing with this twelve year old.

My next level will be to stop interacting with them.

Not sure yet if I'll go to 'DEFCON Ignore' yet.

[Deesse23]

At work.

I've given up arguing with this twelve year old.

My next level will be to stop interacting with them.

Not sure yet if I'll go to 'DEFCON Ignore' yet.

No, its (at least to me) somehow, maybe morbidly(?), amusing how deslusional and fanatic people can get.
His very predictable repetitiveness and derailing about any disourse so he can blurt out is 3-5 "standard" generalisations and (partly) false accusations, i find that amusing somehow. How he is focusing so har don wasting his life beleiving all kind of bullshit (historically and epistemologically), thats like  atrain wreck. Not that i am watching actual train wrecks and accidents, i leave that to others , but in his case at least noone is really hurt (pun intended, with reference to real and fictional harm).

Oh, and honestly, i know 12 year olds who are way less ignorant than he is. Seriously.

[Fake Messiah]

Cutting hands is cool as long as you are a Samurai, you can even make shows and movies about it. But don't you ever never accompany the name of Mohammed or Islam to your production or else you are a terrorist !

No it's not cool and that is why samurais don't exist anymore, but Muslims do

[WinterHold]

Cutting hands is cool as long as you are a Samurai, you can even make shows and movies about it. But don't you ever never accompany the name of Mohammed or Islam to your production or else you are a terrorist !

No it's not cool and that is why samurais don't exist anymore, but Muslims do

[picture]

No it's cool, modern children love to play videogames that involve hacking, slashing and samurais.
Samurais don't exist because the rifle was invented.

As for cherry-picking news from the war on terror era:

His story offers a rare insight into how the Shabaab is using its extreme interpretation of Islam to establish order through fear – and to find recruits.

That's from the link you provided
Good job, bot

[The Architect Of Fate]

No it's not cool and that is why samurais don't exist anymore, but Muslims do

[picture]

No it's cool, modern children love to play videogames that involve hacking, slashing and samurais.
Samurais don't exist because the rifle was invented.

As for cherry-picking news from the war on terror era:

His story offers a rare insight into how the Shabaab is using its extreme interpretation of Islam to establish order through fear – and to find recruits.

That's from the link you provided
Good job, bot

1.Once again it's videogames are fictional and no matter how  samurai meet there end they aren't around anymore 

2.The excerpt is not a refutation an extreme interpretation is still  interpretation 

So calling him a bot is kind of silly and simply shows you have no argument

[The Grand Nudger]

It was social change that did away with samurai, not rifles. I guess you'd think as much if you got your history from tom cruise movies, but.....

[Deesse23]

No it's not cool and that is why samurais don't exist anymore, but Muslims do

[picture]

No it's cool, modern children love to play videogames that involve hacking, slashing and samurais.

Still confused about the difference between video games and reality?

Samurais don't exist because the rifle was invented.

Wrong again. Dude, you are wrong about history almost every time, dont you notice?  
The "caste" of Samurai became superfluous because of the unification under the Tokugawa shogunate in 1600 which meant: Total Military control directly in the hands of the Shogun, and no more (internal) wars. No more (independent) warlords and their (samurai) armies werent needed. The warrior caste (aka Samurai) had to transform slowly into a buerocracy. After the Meiji restoration they became completely irrelevant (not after giving a last resistance by doing an uprising), since the military power of the Shogun was taken away and transfered to the emperor himself.

Slghtly simplifiedd version, but should suffice for someone ignorant as you to do your homework and look up the details.