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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 4:59 pm
(May 24, 2020 at 1:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: NASA wouldn’t be in this mess if some numbwit hadn’t scrapped the Saturn V plans.
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Saturn V was not exactly a bread and butter carrier rocket suitable for supporting a sustainable manned space program.
A proper rocket in that category would Be rather smaller than the Saturn IB.
The Apollo program didn’t really bequeath a highly suitable set of hardware for sustained manned space program.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 5:01 pm
(May 24, 2020 at 2:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (May 24, 2020 at 12:53 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Sixty foot dick.
Anything's a dildo if you're brave enough.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 5:08 pm
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(May 24, 2020 at 2:01 pm)Succubus#2 Wrote: (May 24, 2020 at 1:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: NASA wouldn’t be in this mess if some numbwit hadn’t scrapped the Saturn V plans.
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Is this nonsense still doing the rounds?
If we were to build something of that size today it's unlikely in the extreme we would use 1960 technology.
Actually, we can not do that much better than 1960s technology. This why many of the most successful carrier rockets in service today were designed during the 1960s. Modern rockets can do a little better. But all development cost of new rocket must still be paid for. 1960s rockets are not quite as good, but all bugs have been worked out and all development costs amortized. When you take these into account, 1960s rockets are still Quite competitive.
The only place where modern rockets really became competitive is with a range of payload and orbit performance that wasn’t in demand during thr 1960s, but had become very lucrative with large communities and earth observation satellites.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 6:19 pm
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(May 24, 2020 at 5:08 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 24, 2020 at 2:01 pm)Succubus#2 Wrote: Is this nonsense still doing the rounds?
If we were to build something of that size today it's unlikely in the extreme we would use 1960 technology.
Actually, we can not do that much better than 1960s technology. This why many of the most successful carrier rockets in service today were designed during the 1960s. Modern rockets can do a little better. But all development cost of new rocket must still be paid for. 1960s rockets are not quite as good, but all bugs have been worked out and all development costs amortized. When you take these into account, 1960s rockets are still Quite competitive.
The only place where modern rockets really became competitive is with a range of payload and orbit performance that wasn’t in demand during thr 1960s, but had become very lucrative with large communities and earth observation satellites.
Agreed.
It's hard to see how the design of combustion chambers and turbo pumps can be improved on, I think the big advantage with modern rockets would be the construction materials used for the load bearing members.
But anyway, I've found an old blueprint:
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 6:41 pm
The Russians launched with twenty-seven rocket engines because they couldn't build the big ones Saturn V used.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 7:19 pm
(May 24, 2020 at 6:41 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The Russians launched with twenty-seven rocket engines because they couldn't build the big ones Saturn V used.
Yes, this is true.
Their rocket engines, however, are as (Bounce per ounce) efficinet as the monsters under the Saturn V.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 8:08 pm
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(May 24, 2020 at 6:41 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The Russians launched with twenty-seven rocket engines because they couldn't build the big ones Saturn V used.
actually, the russian equivalent of Saturn 5 launched with 30 engines on the first stage because through the early 1960s they persistently could not fix the combustion stability issue inside a big combustion chamber, which NASA managed to fix very quickly in the late 1950s
Americans like to brag about the size of F-1 engine and laugh at the alleged soviet technical backwardness in not being able to get large combustion chamber to work, but that’s only half the story. The other half is the smaller russian engine was not only developed successfully developed in far less times than the F-1, it was in most respects also far more advanced and efficient than the F-1, or any American engine for that matter for the next 20 years.
what is clear is the russians spent only 10% as much to develop the N-1 as the Americans spent to develop the saturn V, and the russians were given a far tighter schedule in which to do it. so ultimately the N-1 failed because of shoe string budget and no time to test anything.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 24, 2020 at 8:17 pm
(May 24, 2020 at 2:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (May 24, 2020 at 12:53 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Sixty foot dick.
Anything's a dildo if you're brave enough.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 27, 2020 at 4:43 pm
So it's postponed till Saturday, which is for the better because the orange man probably won't be there since he'll be playing golf.
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RE: NASA is launching humans again
May 27, 2020 at 4:44 pm
Are they taking suggestions?
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