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bots and the change of the web.
#21
RE: bots and the change of the web.
(June 17, 2020 at 8:40 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote:
(June 17, 2020 at 7:54 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Changing truth is a crime in all communities. The laws that regulate and punish abusers of truth should cover the whole internet; not just a small part of it.

For example, protecting copyright was used in sites like google. Another example is Facebook's banning of abusive posts. Youtube too uses the similar techniques.

Your point is valid when we speak about a single human sharing their opinion. But when that person uses technology to automate their opinion to produce thousands -if not Millions- of spam messages then it is twisting of truth and compulsive forcing of an idea.

It's already illegal according to many sites. It should be illegal as a general rule.

You show your ignorance by conflating so many different ideas

Changing truth, copyright protections, abusive posts are not equal and are only tangentially related. The fact is that before AI there were cadres of people who ban together to blanket areas with their propaganda, they simply used different methods like flyers or symbols to terrorize or manipulate people through convincing ideas. The word Christian is an example of conflating truths and bending a narrative to create a voting block instead of allowing the differences between theists to segregate them into powerless smaller groups prone to infighting i.e. Catholics and Protestants.

Don't kid yourself, there are very little laws that create actionable legal positions against liars just because they aren't truthful. There has to be a demonstration of damages.

I have no doubt there are cabals using hackers to manipulate markets and craft stories to bamboozle the world. This is why it is important to learn critical thinking so you can sift through the ideas presented to you and make sense of them instead of going off half cocked and seeing bots everywhere.

But lying is punished if it was carried out to frame elections, manipulate voting, spreading false news and more. The punishment can be as little as a ban from a forum -like rule 18 and rule 20 state loudly-:


https://atheistforums.org/rules.php#quot...accurately

or as big as a prison sentence for years as it is the case with identity theft:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/cr...-theft.htm

In this regard; I dismiss your point of view, technology doesn't change the rules.

(June 17, 2020 at 9:12 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I'm really tired of watching him jack it on these forums

Flaming is not allowed.
Please if you have something about my post; report them to the mods.
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#22
RE: bots and the change of the web.
Is lying punished though? So often it goes by without ANY repercussions.

And fuck you boyo you've said much worse than me saying I'm tired of watching you jack it in these forums!

Have a nice rest in that bed you've made for yourself.
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#23
RE: bots and the change of the web.
(June 17, 2020 at 9:51 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Is lying punished though? So often it goes by without ANY repercussions.

And fuck you boyo you've said much worse than me saying I'm tired of watching you jack it in these forums!

Have a nice rest in that bed you've made for yourself.

Yes. Lying is punished, and the more you lie in a place that bans lying; you go to jail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

It's called "Perjury", it has other names when it's about false quoting a book as your own, it's called "Plagiarism":

http://www.ithenticate.com/plagiarism-de...urLlJZRVuQ

Quote:Most cases of plagiarism are considered misdemeanors, punishable by fines of anywhere between $100 and $50,000 — and up to one year in jail. Plagiarism can also be considered a felony under certain state and federal laws. For example, if a plagiarist copies and earns more than $2,500 from copyrighted material, he or she may face up to $250,000 in fines and up to ten years in jail.

You have no argument here.
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#24
RE: bots and the change of the web.
We are talking about advertising. They’re getting us to buy the BS they’re selling. They’re not changing the truth they’re adjusting our perspective on what that truth means to us. Marketing has been doing it for a long time. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5cbe/76...91251f.pdf

The truth is bots aren’t changing the internet, they’re changing our perception of how truthful the internet is and they’ve been around a while. For me it’s about intent. What is the intent of creating a bot to peddle your opinions? I say it’s overcoming the massive hurdle of your personal bias that shows blatant disregard for human life , freedoms and common courtesy. That’s the bed u made, that’s the bed u can rot in, IMO
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
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#25
RE: bots and the change of the web.
(June 17, 2020 at 10:08 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(June 17, 2020 at 9:51 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Is lying punished though? So often it goes by without ANY repercussions.

And fuck you boyo you've said much worse than me saying I'm tired of watching you jack it in these forums!

Have a nice rest in that bed you've made for yourself.

Yes. Lying is punished, and the more you lie in a place that bans lying; you go to jail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

It's called "Perjury", it has other names when it's about false quoting a book as your own, it's called "Plagiarism":

http://www.ithenticate.com/plagiarism-de...urLlJZRVuQ

Quote:Most cases of plagiarism are considered misdemeanors, punishable by fines of anywhere between $100 and $50,000 — and up to one year in jail. Plagiarism can also be considered a felony under certain state and federal laws. For example, if a plagiarist copies and earns more than $2,500 from copyrighted material, he or she may face up to $250,000 in fines and up to ten years in jail.

You have no argument here.

#1
Perjury =!= lying, perjury = lying under oath, please read the links you post yourself. No civilized place on earth punishes people simply for lying*. Facepalm

#2 Plagiarism has nothing to do with perjury Facepalm
It hardly has anything to do with lying as well. When you plagiarize, then you may tell something true **, you just are lying about the source (claiming its yourself when its not)

You are conflating so many things, its no wonder you are so confused about almost anything.

*but probably the dystiopa you envision in which hands are cut off for simple theft.
**most of the time actually, thats why people plagiarize, to tell something of value that someone else alreay figured out.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#26
RE: bots and the change of the web.
(June 18, 2020 at 12:20 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:
(June 17, 2020 at 10:08 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Yes. Lying is punished, and the more you lie in a place that bans lying; you go to jail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

It's called "Perjury", it has other names when it's about false quoting a book as your own, it's called "Plagiarism":

http://www.ithenticate.com/plagiarism-de...urLlJZRVuQ


You have no argument here.

#1
Perjury =!= lying, perjury = lying under oath, please read the links you post yourself. No civilized place on earth punishes people simply for lying*. Facepalm

#2 Plagiarism has nothing to do with perjury Facepalm
It hardly has anything to do with lying as well. When you plagiarize, then you may tell something true **, you just are lying about the source (claiming its yourself when its not)

You are conflating so many things, its no wonder you are so confused about almost anything.

*but probably the dystiopa you envision in which hands are cut off for simple theft.
**most of the time actually, thats why people plagiarize, to tell something of value that someone else alreay figured out.

Read what you wrote again to feel the stupidity of a person who says "lying is not lying".
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#27
RE: bots and the change of the web.
(June 18, 2020 at 11:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(June 18, 2020 at 12:20 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: #1
Perjury =!= lying, perjury = lying under oath, please read the links you post yourself. No civilized place on earth punishes people simply for lying*. Facepalm

#2 Plagiarism has nothing to do with perjury Facepalm
It hardly has anything to do with lying as well. When you plagiarize, then you may tell something true **, you just are lying about the source (claiming its yourself when its not)

You are conflating so many things, its no wonder you are so confused about almost anything.

*but probably the dystiopa you envision in which hands are cut off for simple theft.
**most of the time actually, thats why people plagiarize, to tell something of value that someone else alreay figured out.

Read what you wrote again to feel the stupidity of a person who says "lying is not lying".
I never said that. Your reading comprehension sucks.
Read what i wrote: Perjury is not lying its "lying under oath". Facepalm
Every perjury is a lie, not every lie is a perjury. Every eskimo is human, but not every human is an eskimo.
The fact that perjury is legally punishable does not mean that every other lie is punishable.

Your original claim was that lying is punishable, someone corrected you, then you came up with (bad) examples like perjury and plagiarism. While perjury is lie, perjury is punishable, lying in general isnt. You failed, and still do, to see the difference.

You are an idiot, and you are pressing hard to provide evidence with every post you make on this forum.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#28
RE: bots and the change of the web.
(June 19, 2020 at 1:24 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(June 18, 2020 at 11:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Read what you wrote again to feel the stupidity of a person who says "lying is not lying".
I never said that. Your reading comprehension sucks.
Read what i wrote: Perjury is not lying its "lying under oath". Facepalm
Every perjury is a lie, not every lie is a perjury. Every eskimo is human, but not every human is an eskimo.
The fact that perjury is legally punishable does not mean that every other lie is punishable.

Your original claim was that lying is punishable, someone corrected you, then you came up with (bad) examples like perjury and plagiarism. While perjury is lie, perjury is punishable, lying in general isnt. You failed, and still do, to see the difference.

You are an idiot, and you are pressing hard to provide evidence with every post you make on this forum.

The novel "1984" foretells the likes of you holding a government; the ruling party's slogan is:

Quote:war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength -George Orwell's 1984

Keep bellydancing around.
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#29
RE: bots and the change of the web.
Got no arguments?
Have to resort to personal insults again?
As expected.
Pretty ironic, coming from someone who wants to chop hands off for simple theft. At least i dont hold "mutilation is justice" as a concept, like you do.

Why cant you actually adress what i said, even if you would try? Because you keep conflating the most simple concepts. Too bad. Think Dizzy

Its not your fault for being born ignorant, but for dying ignorant.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#30
RE: bots and the change of the web.
(June 19, 2020 at 2:07 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(June 19, 2020 at 1:24 am)Deesse23 Wrote: I never said that. Your reading comprehension sucks.
Read what i wrote: Perjury is not lying its "lying under oath". Facepalm
Every perjury is a lie, not every lie is a perjury. Every eskimo is human, but not every human is an eskimo.
The fact that perjury is legally punishable does not mean that every other lie is punishable.

Your original claim was that lying is punishable, someone corrected you, then you came up with (bad) examples like perjury and plagiarism. While perjury is lie, perjury is punishable, lying in general isnt. You failed, and still do, to see the difference.

You are an idiot, and you are pressing hard to provide evidence with every post you make on this forum.

The novel "1984" foretells the likes of you holding a government; the ruling party's slogan is:

I find it interesting that you always resort to fiction to make whatever idiotic point you think you are making.

Have you ever considered reality as an alternative approach?
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