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how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
#71
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
You can't really believe that marxists have taken over the us education system and taught americans to hate capitalism, can you? Are you speaking from your vast experience as an australian with us schools?

Anywho, The Donald is very much the leader of an american fascist party. Let's check off boxes, shall we?

Ultra-nationalism and authoritarianism.
The demonization and persecution of minorities.
A cult of the leader.
Demagogic appeals to ignored masses and a treacherous establishment.
Contempt for parliamentary institutions.
Disregard for the law while asserting a law and order platform.
Control of the media and suppression of criticism or dissent.
Empty promises of everything to everyone.
The promotion of force as a means to an end.
Militarism.

There's a reason that antifa opposes the policies, positions, and followers of trumpism. Whatever you might think about antifas politics; that they're marxists (and whatever you may think about marxists)...all of the above applies. You can oppose BLM, and you can oppose marxism, but being opposed to either won't make Trumpism any less of a fascist movement. Here in the US...and I am speaking from experience with our school system, we're taught to oppose fascism. American republicans oppose fascism. American democrats oppose fascism. American socialists oppose fascism. American communists oppose fascism. American anarchists oppose fascism. The united states, by design and by culture and by education, is an explicitly antifacist state.

It is a tragedy of global proportions that we, as americans, have found ourselves in such a position that fascist propaganda can land with a susceptible audience. Perhaps, if we really had been taught to be marxists, we wouldn't be in this position. As it stands, we damage ourselves and the rest of the world out of frustrations which arise from our own failure to provide the access and opportunity required to live the american dream. I understand and could empathize with the people who've been conned into american fascism, except for that nagging bit about how they believe that they will be granted that access and opportunity by fucking over their fellow americans and rejecting the ideals that make us america to begin with. I think that it's unfortunate that they have decided to go all in with ideas and behaviors that have been historically and falsely used by the critics of the united states, some of which helped us into this position, to erode the confidence that people have in the superiority of those ideals as they apply to the governance of any state, anywhere.

But hey, what do I know about america? It's a good thing we've got one of her majesty's prisoners to tell me about it. Jerkoff
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#72
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
So long as there are ignorant white people not understanding, the more civil unrest there will be from those who are not being treated fairly by the corrupt system of this world.
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#73
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
If the aggrieved peoples of a fictional white race believe that they are being systemically oppressed...and they do, a majority of them believe as much - and they think that this is bad...and...they...do...then it's not an issue of ignorance.

It's an issue of framing and propagandizing. Of believing in a zero sum game where the only way that you can have more is for someone else to have less. This belief, itself, isn't ignorance, but a true assessment of the wedge politics that those who benefit from dysfunction have put in place to effortlessly divide us so that they might conquer us for profit and better merchandising opportunities.

We've been taught to expect so little from our government that we no longer believe that we can demand an american baseline -before- we engage in negotiations with establishment incrementalists of any political persuasion.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#74
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
Fact - Fascism (national socialism) doesn't exist in the west, officially and unofficially.

U might think that he has fascist characteristics but as long as USA remains a democracy it doesn't qualify as a fascist state
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#75
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
Oh stop it. National socialism didn't exist in nazi germany either. Another artifact of the duplicity with which fascism sells itself.

I thought that australian schools were better than american schools?

OFC the us isn't a fascist state. That's why a fascist leader is unacceptable. Didn't I just get through explaining to you that the us is an explicitly antifascist state? Explain something to me. Do you oppose antifascism because you think that the fascists are right, or because you think that The Donald is not a fascist?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#76
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
(June 23, 2020 at 11:54 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oh stop it. National socialism didn't exist in nazi germany either. Another artifact of the duplicity with which fascism sells itself.

I thought that australian schools were better than american schools?

No dictatorship
No fascism
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#77
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
I guess I was wrong about american schools and australian schools. Fascist leaders can be elected...especially when the populace agrees with fascism.

Do you think that the fascists are right, or do you think that The Donald is not a fascist?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#78
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
As for my reference to Marxism. That is what co-founder of BLM said

https://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg
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#79
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
Who gives a shit? Suppose that BLM is a marxist movement, so what? Are you willing to agree with fascists because you dislike whatever you believe that marxism is?

Do you think that the fascists are right, or do you think that The Donald is not a fascist?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#80
RE: how many of you think this is still about Mr Floyd?
(June 23, 2020 at 12:01 pm)Agnostico Wrote: As for my reference to Marxism. That is what co-founder of BLM said

https://youtu.be/Pyhy4IvkENg

Ok, they’re Marxists, a group with a rather profound history of despising fascism. If those were my only choices, I’d sooner live in a Marxist state than a fascist one.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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