That Gay Thread

[Huggy Bear]

Ayo Tometi is actually straight, their #1 focus has always been the rights of black people, it’s too decentralized for the leaders to dictate how the movement goes, what the fuck are you even talking about?

If it too decentralized, where are the donations going?

You're confusing two separate issues, one being the slogan, and the other being the organization.

The BLM movement at the beginning WAS decentralized, it was just a slogan, then it got co-opted by LBGT.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/

They even have a shop for merch...

[The Architect Of Fate]

The hair-splitting you are attempting is hilarious. Face it there are lots of straight black people in BLM and BLM supported Smollett which blows away your absurd generalizations. The person who said the stuff in the articles I linked is straight black woman.

[Rev. Rye]

The BLM movement is broader than just a single org. And besides having black LGBTQ people in key positions of power in the org, can you point to anything in their rhetoric that shows them pivoting to a focus more on LGBTQ issues beyond that which can be explained by intersectionality? Because I’m looking on the news section of BLM’s website, and I’m seeing stuff mostly related to black issues. Granted, there is some stuff related to other issues like LBGTQ rights and Hispanic rights, but that’s because, well, the white supremacist power structure negatively affects them as well, and they’re likely to be more effective United than divided, and there is definitely a skewing towards black issues. And, looking at GLaAD’s news section, what I’m seeing is more in line with what I see in a gay organization.

And notably, the merch I’m seeing on their merch page seems far more focused on black motifs than anything take. The closest I can come to anything LGBTQ specific is some shirts with flowers on them and another shirt saying black women are divine. And that’s really a stretch.

Honestly, I’ve had fever dreams that make more sense than Huggy does.

[The Architect Of Fate]

The BLM movement is broader than just a single org. And besides having black LGBTQ people in key positions of power in the org, can you point to anything in their rhetoric that shows them pivoting to a focus more on LGBTQ issues beyond that which can be explained by intersectionality? Because I’m looking on the news section of BLM’s website, and I’m seeing stuff mostly related to black issues. Granted, there is some stuff related to other issues like LBGTQ rights and Hispanic rights, but that’s because, well, the white supremacist power structure negatively affects them as well, and they’re likely to be more effective United than divided, and there is definitely a skewing towards black issues. And, looking at GLaAD’s news section, what I’m seeing is more in line with what I see in a gay organization.

It's literally a hallmark of BLM 

https://www.shondaland.com/act/a35879432...he-people/

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The BLM movement is broader than just a single org. And besides having black LGBTQ people in key positions of power in the org, can you point to anything in their rhetoric that shows them pivoting to a focus more on LGBTQ issues beyond that which can be explained by intersectionality? Because I’m looking on the news section of BLM’s website, and I’m seeing stuff mostly related to black issues. Granted, there is some stuff related to other issues like LBGTQ rights and Hispanic rights, but that’s because, well, the white supremacist power structure negatively affects them as well, and they’re likely to be more effective United than divided, and there is definitely a skewing towards black issues. And, looking at GLaAD’s news section, what I’m seeing is more in line with what I see in a gay organization.

And notably, the merch I’m seeing on their merch page seems far more focused on black motifs than anything take. The closest I can come to anything LGBTQ specific is some shirts with flowers on them and another shirt saying black women are divine. And that’s really a stretch.

Honestly, I’ve had fever dreams that make more sense than Huggy does.

Indeed from the website 

The below is a statement from Dr. Melina Abdullah, Director of BLM Grassroots and Co-Founder of BLM Los Angeles, regarding the ongoing trial of Jussie Smollett:
As abolitionists, we approach situations of injustice with love and align ourselves with our community. Because we got us. So let’s be clear: we love everybody in our community. It’s not about a trial or a verdict decided in a white supremacist charade, it’s about how we treat our community when corrupt systems are working to devalue their lives. In an abolitionist society, this trial would not be taking place, and our communities would not have to fight and suffer to prove our worth. Instead, we find ourselves, once again, being forced to put our lives and our value in the hands of judges and juries operating in a system that is designed to oppress us, while continuing to face a corrupt and violent police department, which has proven time and again to have no respect for our lives.
In our commitment to abolition, we can never believe police, especially the Chicago Police Department (CPD) over Jussie Smollett, a Black man who has been courageously present, visible, and vocal in the struggle for Black freedom. While policing at-large is an irredeemable institution, CPD is notorious for its long and deep history of corruption, racism, and brutality. From the murders of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, to the Burge tortures, to the murder of Laquan McDonald and subsequent cover-up, to the hundreds of others killed by Chicago police over the years and the thousands who survived abuse, Chicago police consistently demonstrate that they are among the worst of the worst. Police lie and Chicago police lie especially.
Black Lives Matter will continue to work towards the abolition of police and every unjust system. We will continue to love and protect one another, and wrap our arms around those who do the work to usher in Black freedom and, by extension, freedom for everyone else.

Dr. Melina Abdullah by the way is straight

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/start-black-li...d=71320450

Oh no BLM believes in intersectionality. Those fiends 

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So, two of the three identify as queer? Well, guess what? That means that (assuming the third isn’t in the closet) they’re not all gay.

And black men are totally absent from the conversation? Even though the movement first picked up steam after the killing of Trayvon Martin? Or was he secretly female and nobody noticed?

Indeed it's a weird flex. And after Trayvon Martin, it was one straight black man after the next. I mean last i checked George Floyd was Straight.

[Rev. Rye]

I once had a dream while I had the flu where I was hauled in front of an Imperial Japanese Court martial and accused of something I couldn't understand because everybody spoke Japanese and I could only just differentiate the Japanese language from a series of throat clearings, and the funny thing is, that still made more sense than Huggy Bear's attempts to drive a wedge between Black rights and LGBTQ rights tend to do.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I once had a dream while I had the flu where I was hauled in front of an Imperial Japanese Court martial and accused of something I couldn't understand because everybody spoke Japanese and I could only just differentiate the Japanese language from a series of throat clearings, and the funny thing is, that still made more sense than Huggy Bear's attempts to drive a wedge between Black rights and LGBTQ rights tend to do.

It makes more sense than anything Huggy does, And it gets even weirder when it becomes a wedge between black LGBTQ people and non-LGBTQ blacks.

[Huggy Bear]

The BLM movement is broader than just a single org. And besides having black LGBTQ people in key positions of power in the org, can you point to anything in their rhetoric that shows them pivoting to a focus more on LGBTQ issues beyond that which can be explained by intersectionality? Because I’m looking on the news section of BLM’s website, and I’m seeing stuff mostly related to black issues. Granted, there is some stuff related to other issues like LBGTQ rights and Hispanic rights, but that’s because, well, the white supremacist power structure negatively affects them as well, and they’re likely to be more effective United than divided, and there is definitely a skewing towards black issues. And, looking at GLaAD’s news section, what I’m seeing is more in line with what I see in a gay organization.

And notably, the merch I’m seeing on their merch page seems far more focused on black motifs than anything take. The closest I can come to anything LGBTQ specific is some shirts with flowers on them and another shirt saying black women are divine. And that’s really a stretch.

Honestly, I’ve had fever dreams that make more sense than Huggy does.

"Patrisse Cullors, one of three founders of the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter, explains how queer and trans people of color are core to the movement."








I don't know ANY organization that's NOT LBGT that states LBGT is their core.

[Rev. Rye]

How do you even define an LGBT organization? Because I’d define it as an organization whose primary focus is on LGBT issues, and everything I’ve seen about BLM says it isn’t that. It may be a key issue, but it’s by no means the only or even biggest issue they focus on.

If Patrisse Cullors says LGBT people are core to the movement, that can mean they’re only part of the core. And that’s likely what she meant.

Honestly, it sound more like you’re looking for excuses to gatekeep blackness, even if it’s just by arguing that if someone or something has a certain level of engagement with other issues, they no longer count as black in your eyes.

[Huggy Bear]

How do you even define an LGBT organization? Because I’d define it as an organization whose primary focus is on LGBT issues, and everything I’ve seen about BLM says it isn’t that. It may be a key issue, but it’s by no means the only or even biggest issue they focus on.

If Patrisse Cullors says LGBT people are core to the movement, that can mean they’re only part of the core. And that’s likely what she meant.

Honestly, it sound more like you’re looking for excuses to gatekeep blackness, even if it’s just by arguing that if someone or something has a certain level of engagement with other issues, they no longer count as black in your eyes.

Name another ethnic group that also advocates for every other ethnic group.

Do Hispanic groups advocate for black people? Do Asian groups? LBGT certainly isn't their core.

How about we keep that same energy and have black groups advocate specifically for black people.

[Rev. Rye]

Do Asian and Hispanic groups gatekeep gay people from positions of power in their organisations?

How about we keep that same energy and have black groups advocate specifically for black people? Because marginalised groups are stronger and more likely to get power when fighting together? And the funny thing is, if BLM is any indication, black groups do advocate specifically for black people. They just recognise that there are other marginalised groups whose issues intersect with that (like women or LGBT).