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Poll: Are you non-binary?
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[Serious] Are you non-binary?
#21
RE: Are you non-binary?
(July 16, 2020 at 5:38 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:Ok, now I’m in a quandary - the voices say I shouldn’t listen to you.
Please stop comparing gender identity to psychosis .Those are two different things 



Quote:But I’m not sure I ‘chose’ my gender. 

Boru
No but you can express it  

Quote:Which is it, Not conforming to male or female or not being male or female?
Not conforming to the culturally accepted gender standards 


Quote:These are entirely two different things
No they aren't as the gender of male and female are social constructs

(July 16, 2020 at 5:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not sure it’s possible to choose to disobey hormones.

Boru
Hormones are a sexual charistic [sic]not gender one

I didn’t compare psychosis and gender identity. No one did.

Being able to express gender has nothing to with not being able to choose gender. Can you explain what you’re driving at?

Hormones are not sexual characteristics (they are signaling molecules and assist in the regulation of every bodily system), and I’m not the one who said they had anything to do with gender.

Direct your replies to the people who actually made the statements you’re correcting.

Boru
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#22
RE: Are you non-binary?
(July 16, 2020 at 5:38 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Hormones are a sexual charistic not gender one

Um...... wut???

How is cortisol, thyroxine or angiotensin a sex characteristic?

The specific hormones I think you're referring to produce primary and secondary sex characteristics in the majority of humans. The extent that characteristics appear in the phenotype is related to genetics and/or environment.
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#23
RE: Are you non-binary?
(July 16, 2020 at 6:15 pm)brewer Wrote:
(July 16, 2020 at 5:38 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Hormones are a sexual charistic not gender one

Um...... wut???

How is cortisol, thyroxine or angiotensin a sex characteristic?

The specific hormones I think you're referring to produce primary and secondary sex characteristics in the majority of humans. The extent that characteristics appear in the phenotype is related to genetics and/or environment.
True

(July 16, 2020 at 6:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 16, 2020 at 5:38 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Please stop comparing gender identity to psychosis .Those are two different things 



No but you can express it  

Not conforming to the culturally accepted gender standards 


No they aren't as the gender of male and female are social constructs

Hormones are a sexual charistic [sic]not gender one

I didn’t compare psychosis and gender identity. No one did.

Being able to express gender has nothing to with not being able to choose gender. Can you explain what you’re driving at?

Hormones are not sexual characteristics (they are signaling molecules and assist in the regulation of every bodily system), and I’m not the one who said they had anything to do with gender.

Direct your replies to the people who actually made the statements you’re correcting.

Boru
1. Oh my mistake

2. Never said it was .

3.But they influence sexual characteristics. Nor did i
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#24
RE: Are you non-binary?
Just a general response to the comments I'm reading.

Everyone belongs to one of two sex categories--male or female. Sex is determined by a variety of things, like genetics, anatomy, and yes hormones. And these do not always match, making some individuals intersexed.

Gender, in contrast, is something we do. We perform our gender. We speak it, we wear it, we act it out. There are no categories to gender at the individual level, since gender is more of a verb than a noun.

That being said, at the cultural level, people's gender can be viewed as either masculine or feminine. This is what people refer to when they say gender is a social construct. Saying that wearing pink is feminine, is generally arbitrary. Yet by saying so what people mean is that wearing pink is a behavior usually seen in females.

In other words, I was born a male, but I must become a man. Cognitively identifying as a boy/man (which happens in childhood for most of us) is what becomes my gender identity.
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#25
RE: Are you non-binary?
I'm cis-male with a paraphilia for fire. truly. Fire pretty!
If you get to thinking you’re a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else’s dog around.
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#26
RE: Are you non-binary?
(July 16, 2020 at 8:42 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Just a general response to the comments I'm reading.

Everyone belongs to one of two sex categories--male or female. Sex is determined by a variety of things, like genetics, anatomy, and yes hormones. And these do not always match, making some individuals intersexed.

Gender, in contrast, is something we do. We perform our gender. We speak it, we wear it, we act it out. There are no categories to gender at the individual level, since gender is more of a verb than a noun.

That being said, at the cultural level, people's gender can be viewed as either masculine or feminine. This is what people refer to when they say gender is a social construct. Saying that wearing pink is feminine, is generally arbitrary. Yet by saying so what people mean is that wearing pink is a behavior usually seen in females.

In other words, I was born a male, but I must become a man. Cognitively identifying as a boy/man (which happens in childhood for most of us) is what becomes my gender identity.
But you kind of have to subdivide

Gender roles are a social construct 

Gender Identity is an inner sense or inner narrative of gender that is a mix of environment and innate psychology
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#27
RE: Are you non-binary?
I'm curious to know if any identical twins (either sex) have both become gay, or just one of them?
Would being an identical twin guarantee identical hormonal levels also?
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#28
RE: Are you non-binary?
(July 16, 2020 at 8:42 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Everyone belongs to one of two sex categories--male or female.

False. There are people who are in-between even when we're talking of sex.

Gender is a spectrum. Sex is a continuum.
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#29
RE: Are you non-binary?
(July 16, 2020 at 9:37 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: False. There are people who are in-between even when we're talking of sex.

I said as much in the paragraph you quoted.
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#30
RE: Are you non-binary?
In order to respond to the poll question one would need to ascribe to the notion of brick-wall rigid gender roles. I do not so cannot answer it. I've considered myself male ever since I looked down in the shower, all those moons ago...helpful?
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