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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 2:43 am
I have a confession to make. I have been a very rude, condescending, Self Promoting Asshole so far. I honestly did not mean for anybody to interpret what I wrote the way they did. I feel misunderstood. I pledge to stop rudely questing-everyone's-post-piece-by-piece, be as nice in my posts as I humanly can, and disown the quotes. I can see that as much as I like the quotes, they will never fly as real quotes after watching them become shredded before my very eyes.
I am still a bit confused why the longest quote is so bad as I have rudely shown in my responses the argument shredding. Is my trap theory still a bad one, even though my argument for it is clearly bad?
Is there anything else I should apologize for, or did I get it all covered?
I can see why the forum website is called atheistforums.org, not atheist_and_autism_forums.org. At least I'm a high functioning autistic.
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 2:51 am
Don't apologize, there is no need, just don't perhaps come to the forum brand new and try to promote yourself like that, it's hard to distinguish you from a troll at first, your later posts seem to more than make up for your initial burst, stick around.
Oh, and we have at least one other high functioning autistic here, Truthworthy, though I've not seen him for a little while.
Here's a better quote Btw:
Emporion Wrote:They can make all of the excuses as they want because they'll just commit fallacy after fallacy. They can talk until they are DARK blue in the face. The truth does not change just because they want it to.
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 3:06 am
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(March 1, 2011 at 2:51 am)theVOID Wrote: Don't apologize, there is no need, just don't perhaps come to the forum brand new and try to promote yourself like that, it's hard to distinguish you from a troll at first, your later posts seem to more than make up for your initial burst, stick around.
Ok, sounds good to me. I don't plan on leaving anytime soon.
(March 1, 2011 at 2:51 am)theVOID Wrote: Oh, and we have at least one other high functioning autistic here, Truthworthy, though I've not seen him for a little while.
Intresting. Well I'm glad I'm not the only one.
(March 1, 2011 at 2:51 am)theVOID Wrote: Here's a better quote Btw:
Emporion Wrote:They can make all of the excuses as they want because they'll just commit fallacy after fallacy. They can talk until they are DARK blue in the face. The truth does not change just because they want it to.
Thank you, and that one's sooo much better. Shouldn't the first part start with "Religionist's can make..."?
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 3:28 am
Quote:Thank you, and that one's sooo much better. Shouldn't the first part start with "Religionist's can make..."?
No... because anyone can make all the excuses they want and repeatedly commit fallacies. That's what happens when people start "making excuses": fallacies.
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 7:31 am
(February 28, 2011 at 3:46 pm)Emporion Wrote: Religion = Poison.
Yes, and she is a christian and she refused to consider my side of the discussion, although nicely.
The point is to trap them so that the only way to escape means to commit logical fallacies which doesn't get them out. If they are smart enough, they will find that they are beaten.
Dude. You have had TWO conversation with theists ever ? You really can't come here and school me on the way to do things when you don't actually have enough experience to know wtf you're talking about 
Quote:Why not? Its so simple to dispel religion. Trap it.
Did that ever actually work for you ?
(February 28, 2011 at 11:44 am)Rwandrall Wrote: It weaken's brain security.
I have never seen that term expressed anywhere, so you'll have to explain it to me
Also, you seem to be repeating things, quoting the same message multiples times, and sounding very different from post to post...you feeling alright ?
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 8:04 am
So ...
a) This is THE quotes thread??
b) We are welcome to dicuss and disect wuotable quotes??
c) ANYTHING IS FAIR GAME???
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 11:13 am
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(March 1, 2011 at 3:28 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Quote:Thank you, and that one's sooo much better. Shouldn't the first part start with "Religionist's can make..."?
No... because anyone can make all the excuses they want and repeatedly commit fallacies. That's what happens when people start "making excuses": fallacies.
Oops. Tunnel vision again. "anyone can make..." instead?
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 11:19 am
Those quotes underwhelmed me, sorry.
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 12:22 pm
(March 1, 2011 at 2:43 am)Emporion Wrote: I am still a bit confused why the longest quote is so bad as I have rudely shown in my responses the argument shredding. Is my trap theory still a bad one, even though my argument for it is clearly bad?
Nothing wrong with the logic, more with the presentation. But, I think your recent change in approach to this discussion is interesting. You seem to have found that your original, more confrontational approach was not getting the desired results. You will find it even more so with "religionists". These are people who have willfully rejected logic, in favor of faith, out of fear. They can't give up there beliefs because they can't face life, or more importantly, death without them. I don't think they will respond well to being "trapped". I suspect they feel somewhat trapped already. They create their pseudo-logical arguments in an attempt to rationalize their belief in what is the equivalent of Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny.
I'm not trying to discourage you in your efforts here, I think it's a useful exercise in logic and rhetoric. I use discussion as much to clarify my own logic as to learn to express it effectively. (and I have plenty of room for improvement in both areas.)
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RE: Quotes acceptance
March 1, 2011 at 12:32 pm
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(March 1, 2011 at 7:31 am)Rwandrall Wrote: Dude. You have had TWO conversation with theists ever ? You really can't come here and school me on the way to do things when you don't actually have enough experience to know wtf you're talking about
Only one. I wasn't ready with my ideas when I talked with the 2 Jephova's, when they were nicely showing me skydadies's big plan. I was just presenting my perfect trap theory. I am not trying to school you. I'm sorry it looked like that as it was not my intention.
(March 1, 2011 at 7:31 am)Rwandrall Wrote: Did that ever actually work for you ?
Yup, I wrote up the agument. The next day I showed it to her and she was silent. I asked her what her best excuse was and she that I had to have faith.
(February 28, 2011 at 11:44 am)Rwandrall Wrote: I have never seen that term expressed anywhere, so you'll have to explain it to me
Brain security is the ability the brain has to protect itself from emotional attacks that come from anti-critical thinking ideas. It's stronger in some and weaker in some. It kind of depends on the person.
(February 28, 2011 at 11:44 am)Rwandrall Wrote: Also, you seem to be repeating things, quoting the same message multiples times, and sounding very different from post to post...you feeling alright ?
Ok. I have chronic back pain, multiple std's, asbergers, religion disease, and autism. 
The las one is true and I now have a sore throat to boot.
Actually, this is the first forum I've joined, and I'm not always completely satisfied with what I write in my posts. What did I post that was so weird?
(March 1, 2011 at 12:22 pm)corndog36 Wrote: They can't give up there beliefs because they can't face life, or more importantly, death without them. I don't think they will respond well to being "trapped". I suspect they feel somewhat trapped already.
That's exactly why my math tutor can't give up "Jesus".
(March 1, 2011 at 12:22 pm)corndog36 Wrote: (March 1, 2011 at 2:43 am)Emporion Wrote: I am still a bit confused why the longest quote is so bad as I have rudely shown in my responses the argument shredding. Is my trap theory still a bad one, even though my argument for it is clearly bad?
Nothing wrong with the logic, more with the presentation. But, I think your recent change in approach to this discussion is interesting. You seem to have found that your original, more confrontational approach was not getting the desired results. You will find it even more so with "religionists". These are people who have willfully rejected logic, in favor of faith, out of fear. They can't give up there beliefs because they can't face life, or more importantly, death without them. I don't think they will respond well to being "trapped". I suspect they feel somewhat trapped already. They create their pseudo-logical arguments in an attempt to rationalize their belief in what is the equivalent of Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny.
I'm not trying to discourage you in your efforts here, I think it's a useful exercise in logic and rhetoric. I use discussion as much to clarify my own logic as to learn to express it effectively. (and I have plenty of room for improvement in both areas.)
You mean the religionist's will be more confrontational? How could I write the argument better?
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