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God so hated the world
RE: God so hated the world
(December 3, 2020 at 9:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:Unlike your ilk who try to look 

intelligent by dissecting my sentences and interjecting their tired regurgitated atheist-speak.
Nah that would be you and your ilk who try to look intelligent by mindlessly repeating tired apologist talking points like a parrot.

Dig the hole brainiac
Quis ut Deus?
RE: God so hated the world
(December 3, 2020 at 11:12 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(December 3, 2020 at 9:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Nah that would be you and your ilk who try to look intelligent by mindlessly repeating tired apologist talking points like a parrot.

Dig the hole brainiac
Nah, I don't need a hole. I'm not a theist apologist. You can keep going though. A few more feet and you'll hit the earth's core  Hehe
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RE: God so hated the world
Serve something that doesn't exist?  You're not building cathedrals on my dime, crook.
RE: God so hated the world
Who cares if it does, there are plenty of things and people that do exist..that I don't and wouldn't serve. I assume that every god bothering idiot is familiar.

Doesn't take any explaining, +1 on that.
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RE: God so hated the world
Sure, we refuse service to all manner of underserving, unless compelled.  I'm saying I refuse the most serve worthy of saviors, unless compelled.
RE: God so hated the world
(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)ronedee Wrote: See. It's total waste of time engaging in any conversation. None of you are open to anything. And it has nothing to do with the mechanisms of whether God exits or not!

You all speak like I've never been in this arena before. In the 20 or more years I've dealt with you, as well as my atheist family and friends the same
theme becomes apparent...... it's not convenient for any of you to have a God.

Maybe the problem is in you, and not those other people. Have you considered that?

(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)ronedee Wrote: I'd rather hear that truth than all your lame arguments against a Creator.

What are you blabbing about? You find the Book of Genesis to be the truth?

(December 3, 2020 at 8:11 pm)ronedee Wrote: And your baseless faith that we all just popped
into existence from Primordial soup of the cosmos!

The creation of life according to science requires no miracle and no law of physics was violated, so I don't need any faith. It is your bad that you don't want to read a science book.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: God so hated the world
Quote:It comes down to this: "I will not serve." 

Well, I tried to serve God, but he was always complaining - the soup was too hot, the band was too loud, he didn't get enough dressing on the salad. My manager had to ask him to leave.

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RE: God so hated the world
(December 3, 2020 at 11:12 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(December 3, 2020 at 9:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Nah that would be you and your ilk who try to look intelligent by mindlessly repeating tired apologist talking points like a parrot.

Dig the hole brainiac

It is rather simple. If you could demonstrate the existence of a god, any god at all, you would have done so already. But you obviously are unable to do so. Therefore you have not because you can not.

However, if you were to demonstrate the existence of the bible god, I would accept it. 

I would then make it my goal to kill the immoral thug for the benefit of everyone. A "god" who sends out a "magic" book promoting genocide, slavery, incest, mysogyny, human sacrifice, war, polygamy, and other such absurdity does not warrant worship or even respect, it warrants destruction. If it were real, I would be morally obligated to kill it.
RE: God so hated the world

Jesus said he came to serve and not to be served.

Why would you want us to do the opposite of what he indicated he wanted?

If your god is Yahweh, how do you plan on serving that vile genocidal god?

What compels you to adore such a moral monster?

RE: God so hated the world
(November 30, 2020 at 11:58 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(November 30, 2020 at 4:04 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: If you really believe this, then lets chat about the morality or immorality of Yahweh punishing the innocent instead of the guilty and calling that justice.

Christians always run from moral discussions, but I feel you need it badly, given you adoring a genocidal prick of a god and all.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.
It takes quite an  inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.
Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.
It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.
Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7  None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.


You speak as if God is a human, and you stand in Judgement of His morality. What you fail to realize, and conceptualize is that God makes the rules! Not us. Everything has to be seen through that prism. Unfortunately for you, and many others, that is not possible. So we can't ever connect. Nor should we! We're too far apart.

To try to explain it in terms that you'd understand.... Revelation is achieved through three things: Inner peace, spiritual acceptance, and imagination. I won't explain this foundation further, as I've experienced with others like you, you are already formulating a negative attitude. And I don't like wasting my time. I'd much rather talk to an openminded individual. The only reason I'm engaging with you is that you seem to be the only intelligent being here today.

First off...lets put the "story of Job", to bed! That is a hypothetical story written in the 7th century or so, and is based in theodicy. No more. Not reality in any stretch of the imagination. Even in the epic proportions of the OT. It's in the bible, in my opinion to make people feel better about themselves and frightened of God!

So, let's think like God....shall we?

Gen 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

If God the Father shared in culpability by putting the tree in the garden, in front of Adam & Eve.... Thus the Lord accepting His part in revealing the ugly truth to them. As bad as Evil is, it’s still part of the Truth! 

And the last part of said scripture, (Gen 3:22) points to Jesus on the cross (tree) and His last supper pronouncement, “I am the Bread of Life”.

Also, Jesus is God in the flesh! Period.... "from the foundations of the world"! The Alpha & Omega. Transcending time, space and matter.

Did we (humans, through Adam & Eve) steal from God in the Garden? Was the Tree of Knowledge, God’s knowledge? Was God trying to protect us? 

It also seems obvious (to me) that ONLY God can reverse His curse on man of, sin and death; “but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in [the day] that you eat of it, you shall surely die.”  Notice, He didn't say "IF"? 

We had no way to redeem ourselves, or take back what we did. And we’ll sin again and again, and AGAIN! We can’t be PERFECT! We “know” too much! And we reject God, because of His..."morality".

No. the only way was to break His own curse by dying in the flesh Himself. An injustice that reconciled us to Him. He paid the price for putting
that tree of knowledge in front of us! By His death, the curse fell. Because, death was only meant for sinners. Now death is only a door!

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

"We had no way to redeem ourselves, "

So god created us already condemned, and you see that as fair condemnation.

Thanks for showing us all your shit morals.

A human sacrifice must stay dead to be a real sacrifice. 

Even the dumbest idiot knows that.

Ignore that you abdicating your own responsibility is immoral. Satan won't mind when she greats you.


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