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Are Orcs in Lord of the Rings Atheists?
#11
RE: Are Orcs in Lord of the Rings Atheists?
In the book he said the quote last. Which made the guy mad, the mouth of Sauron. I found the source from Quora website, been ages since i read LOTR in Norwegian

"Get you gone, for your embassy is over and death is near to you. We did not come here to waste words in treating with Sauron, faithless and accursed; still less with one of his slaves. Begone!’ Then the Messenger of Mordor laughed no more. His face was twisted with amazement and anger to the likeness of some wild beast that, as it crouches on its prey, is smitten on the muzzle with a stinging rod. Rage filled him and his mouthslavered, and shapeless sounds of fury came strangling fromhis throat. But he looked at the fell faces of the Captains andthe black gate opens their deadly eyes, and fear overcame his wrath. He gave a great cry, and turned, leaped upon his steed, and with his company galloped madly back to Cirith Gorgor."
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#12
RE: Are Orcs in Lord of the Rings Atheists?
Tolkien's friend C.S. Lewis was the religious nut who literally wrote religion into his works of fiction. I don't get that vibe from Tolkien's LOTR novels.
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#13
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A bit different to having his head lopped off by Aragorn then! lolz
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#14
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(December 4, 2020 at 11:12 am)Lawz Wrote: Faithless in this context = no fidelity/optimism/honesty. Not religious connotation.

faithless
ADJECTIVE
disloyal, especially to a spouse or partner.
"her faithless lover"
synonyms:
unfaithful · disloyal · inconstant · false · false-hearted · untrue · adulterous · [more]
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RE: Are Orcs in Lord of the Rings Atheists?
(December 4, 2020 at 11:52 am)Eleven Wrote: Tolkien's friend C.S. Lewis was the religious nut who literally wrote religion into his works of fiction. I don't get that vibe from Tolkien's LOTR novels.

I've read "mere Christianity" by CS Lewis and found it....unconvincing. As Richard Dawkins wrote of him: "he really should have known better."
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#16
RE: Are Orcs in Lord of the Rings Atheists?
(December 4, 2020 at 11:55 am)Lawz Wrote:
(December 4, 2020 at 11:52 am)Eleven Wrote: Tolkien's friend C.S. Lewis was the religious nut who literally wrote religion into his works of fiction. I don't get that vibe from Tolkien's LOTR novels.

I've read "mere Christianity" by CS Lewis and found it....unconvincing. As Richard Dawkins wrote of him: "he really should have known better."

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I hope you're going to eat those AWTY
We get it...someone cheated on you and broke your heart.  Shit happens.

Find a forum for the lovelorn.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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#17
RE: Are Orcs in Lord of the Rings Atheists?
Ironically, the only negative criticism Tolkien's works seemed to receive was from English and literature experts who thought he would never be considered a great writer due to how he deviated from the norm with grammar.
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#18
RE: Are Orcs in Lord of the Rings Atheists?
No, orcs aren’t atheists. They worship Sauron and, through him, Melkor/Morgoth.

‘Faithless’ in context means that Sauron doesn’t ‘keep faith’ in the sense of keeping promises and honouring his word. It simply means that he is not to be trusted and isn’t related to religious faith at all. 

‘Accursed’ means only the the Valar, after casting Morgoth into the Outer Darkness, gave Sauron - Morgoth’s chief lieutenant - the opportunity to repent. He scorned the offer and so will never get another chance.

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#19
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Quote me or STFU AWTY - nothing of my being cheated on has been spoken by me on this forum. Shame on you.
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#20
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(December 4, 2020 at 12:00 pm)Eleven Wrote: Ironically, the only negative criticism Tolkien's works seemed to receive was from English and literature experts who thought he would never be considered a great writer due to how he deviated from the norm with grammar.

Tolkien kind of admitted that himself. He said that the error he most regretted was using ‘Dwarves’ instead of the more correct ‘Dwarfs’ or ‘Dwerrows’.

That’s happens when we let philologists write books. Smile

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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