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[Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
(December 7, 2020 at 7:16 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(December 7, 2020 at 6:30 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Do you really believe in a god-made apocalypse?  This is talking about an eclipse.  Celestial events have always been considered harbingers of heavenly action -- and usually not of the good kind for the ruling monarch.

No, the eclipse was already mentioned in the previous verse 8:

Quote:(8) and the moon is dimmed, Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

Which in another translation it is:

Quote:(8) and the moon is eclipsed, Fadel Soliman, Bridges’ translation

First the moon will be eclipsed (verse 8)
Then the moon and the sun will be joined together (verse 9)

#note: by pressing "settings" in the website I provided in the OP; you can see different translations.

When the moon is dimmed, it is a *lunar* eclipse. When the sun and moon are joined in the sky, it is a *solar* eclipse.

Sheesh.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
At work.

No! Magic book words must only mean what WinterHold or whomever is interpreting magic book says they mean to bolster what ever thing they are tyring to make fit.

Again, it's something already known. Something 'After the modern/current understanding'.

It's never about unknown things currently residing just beyond the edge of our knowledge/understanding.

Nothing about getting humanity closer to understanding cancer, for instance.

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#23
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
Earth will no longer be suitable for human habitation long before then; the level of atmospheric CO2 will no longer be high enough to sustain plant life that uses C3 carbon fixation photosynthesis: our atmosphere will no longer sustain trees or other plant life that depends on relatively high CO2 levels. That's about 600 million years out. About 400 million more years should do for the remaining plant life, not to mention runaway ocean evaporation.

The most likely way for our descendants, if we still have any, to still be around to witness the disintegration of the moon into a ring whose pieces eventually fall to earth will be from a safer distance farther out in the solar system.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
(December 7, 2020 at 9:22 pm)polymath257 Wrote: When the moon is dimmed, it is a *lunar* eclipse. When the sun and moon are joined in the sky, it is a *solar* eclipse.

Sheesh.

The verse describes how the planetary system will break down in the day of ressurection, it's not hard to get that, the sun and the moon can then really collide and be "brought together". Why do you think it's refering to solar eclipse ?
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
Because to uninformed and primative people, that's just what an eclipse looks like. As has already been explained
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
(December 8, 2020 at 7:39 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 7, 2020 at 9:22 pm)polymath257 Wrote: When the moon is dimmed, it is a *lunar* eclipse. When the sun and moon are joined in the sky, it is a *solar* eclipse.

Sheesh.

The verse describes how the planetary system will break down in the day of ressurection, it's not hard to get that, the sun and the moon can then really collide and be "brought together". Why do you think it's refering to solar eclipse ?

Because I'm not trying to force a bizarre interpretation to keep the text saying something true.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
(December 8, 2020 at 11:08 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Earth will no longer be suitable for human habitation long before then; the level of atmospheric CO2 will no longer be high enough to sustain plant life that uses C3 carbon fixation photosynthesis: our atmosphere will no longer sustain trees or other plant life that depends on relatively high CO2 levels. That's about 600 million years out. About 400 million more years should do for the remaining plant life, not to mention runaway ocean evaporation.

The most likely way for our descendants, if we still have any, to still be around to witness the disintegration of the moon into a ring whose pieces eventually fall to earth will be from a safer distance farther out in the solar system.

The Quran stated that humans will be resurrected in an environment different from the one existed today:

Quote:Sura 18, Verse 48:
https://quran.com/14/48?translations=

(48) ˹Watch for˺ the Day ˹when˺ the earth will be changed into a different earth and the heavens as well, and all will appear before Allah—the One, the Supreme. Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

Thus we too will probably be different, created again with mightier bodies to handle more extreme conditions.
That's why some humans will live for billions of years in hell which I think is a black hole, while others will live eternally in paradise which is probably an alien planet so far from the collapsing universe.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
What if my paradise is a black hole?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.
(December 8, 2020 at 9:40 pm)polymath257 Wrote:
(December 8, 2020 at 7:39 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: The verse describes how the planetary system will break down in the day of ressurection, it's not hard to get that, the sun and the moon can then really collide and be "brought together". Why do you think it's refering to solar eclipse ?

Because I'm not trying to force a bizarre interpretation to keep the text saying something true.

It's not a bizarre interpretation, it's the main interpretation, dude.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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