[Quranic Reflection]: moon absorbed by the sun in the Quran: far future.

[WinterHold]

Yes. The situation is very similar to real life: non-believers find another Muslim bellydancer and support him to be their proxy against the effective Muslim; just like the west does in supporting Egypt's SISI, Saudi Arabia's Sauds or Irani Shiites.

But believe me, one day this eternal battle will be over.

You know, the support doesn't have to be "real"; because the person you support is a bellydancing sick freak with no morals. But he is a good static to me, so why not support him?

Buddy, I was talking about you....not Kloro.  He's a nut too, sure, but at least he knows a little bit about how the donuts were made.

I absolutely understand and even agree with your objections to hadith.  Trouble is, magic book was produced in the same way.  If there's something wrong with that method - then something is wrong with magic book.

No, Mohammed wasn't there to testify that the Hadiths are really his word.
But with the Quran he testified (the link I gave showed it).

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Yes. The situation is very similar to real life: non-believers find another Muslim bellydancer and support him to be their proxy against the effective Muslim; just like the west does in supporting Egypt's SISI, Saudi Arabia's Sauds or Irani Shiites.

But believe me, one day this eternal battle will be over.

You know, the support doesn't have to be "real"; because the person you support is a bellydancing sick freak with no morals. But he is a good static to me, so why not support him?

Here's what I get from this - bellydancing (sic) is bad.

Needs more ostriches.

You must understand the difference:

1-Ostriches hide their heads in the sand and claim that they didn't see the crimes of others
2-Bellydancers are trolls with no morals; they bellydance around morals because they have none.

[Deesse23]

....just like the west does in supporting Egypt's SISI, Saudi Arabia's Sauds or Irani Shiites.

Please stay on topic.

[The Grand Nudger]

He wasn't there to testify to anything after his death.

If this is a problem, like the construction of hadith is a problem, then it's a problem of your own making.

[arewethereyet]

Buddy, I was talking about you....not Kloro.  He's a nut too, sure, but at least he knows a little bit about how the donuts were made.

I absolutely understand and even agree with your objections to hadith.  Trouble is, magic book was produced in the same way.  If there's something wrong with that method - then something is wrong with magic book.

No, Mohammed wasn't there to testify that the Hadiths are really his word.
But with the Quran he testified (the link I gave showed it).

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Here's what I get from this - bellydancing (sic) is bad.

Needs more ostriches.

You must understand the difference:

1-Ostriches hide their heads in the sand and claim that they didn't see the crimes of others
2-Bellydancers are trolls with no morals; they bellydance around morals because they have none.

Note to self - bellydancers are trolls...okay, then.

Take your meds Winter.  If you don't have any - go get some.

[WinterHold]

The Qur'an is meant to be a rhetorical challenge. That's how it impressed Arab tribes back then and established its superiority.

So now you're claiming to know the mind of God and what his intentions were regarding the Quran?  I'd say that's remarkable, but it's really not.

Mystic Knight claimed a lot of garbage before he become "klorophil", including that God is a woman, the Quran is actually a Hadith, etc...

[The Grand Nudger]

Magic book is hadith. That's how it was made. That's what you think contains scientific miracles like this moon bit. What is it with you moon cultists, anyway?

[Angrboda]

This convo, in this thread, is delicious.  We've got a muslim who believes in the magic book so much that he thinks it contains scientific miracles..but he denies that the chain of claim and custody used to produce that same book is worth a shit.

Yes. The situation is very similar to real life: non-believers find another Muslim bellydancer and support him to be their proxy against the effective Muslim; just like the west does in supporting Egypt's SISI, Saudi Arabia's Sauds or Irani Shiites.

Are you saying that you believe yourself to be an "effective Muslim?" I'm just glad I wasn't taking a sip of coffee when I read that.

[WinterHold]

He wasn't there to testify to anything after his death.  

If this is a problem, like the construction of hadith is a problem, then it's a problem of your own making.

But:

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[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni]
Sunni and Shia scholars generally believe that the Quran was written down in its entirety at the time of Muhammad's death.[citation needed] Muhammad's cousin Ibn Abbas describes the way in which the final version of the Quran was fixed: "the prophet recited the book before Gabriel every year in the month of Ramadan, and in the month in which he died he recited it before him twice."[18] It is believed that the term "reciting the Quran twice" means compiling all the Quranic revelations into a complete and final version. It is understood[citation needed] that toward the end of Muhammad's life a special act of revelation occurred in which a final and complete version of the Quran was created. The term 'recite', which is used here, is referring to the custom where a Quranic scholar recites the entire Quran from beginning to end a number of times before a senior scholar. According to this tradition the act of recital is being performed by Muhammad, with the angel Gabriel playing the role of superior authority.[19]

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of..._tradition

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't care what you or the other nutballs generally believe anymore than you care what catholics and protestants generally believe.

Magic book was commissioned and produced after the death of Big Mo. If that's a problem for you, like the method of it's construction is a problem for you, like hadith is a problem for you, so be it.

[WinterHold]

Yes. The situation is very similar to real life: non-believers find another Muslim bellydancer and support him to be their proxy against the effective Muslim; just like the west does in supporting Egypt's SISI, Saudi Arabia's Sauds or Irani Shiites.

Are you saying that you believe yourself to be an "effective Muslim?"  I'm just glad I wasn't taking a sip of coffee when I read that.

Yes ! I only talk with the Quran, I don't mix Hadith  with my text to deceive people.
I provide the faith as it is,